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No. 24

Tuesday, 4 November 2025

- 12:00:09 PM

1The House met, at 12 noon, pursuant to adjournment. The Speaker (the Honourable M. Dick) took the Chair, made an acknowledgement of country and read prayers.

- 12:02:58 PM

2BILLS DECLARED REFERRED TO FEDERATION CHAMBER

Mr Burke (Leader of the House) declared that, unless otherwise ordered, the following bills stand referred to the Federation Chamber for further consideration at the adjournment of the debate on the motion for the second reading of each bill:

Customs Tariff Amendment (Geelong Treaty Implementation) Bill 2025; and

Freedom of Information Amendment Bill 2025.

- 12:03:14 PM

3ORDER OF THE DAY CALLED ON

Ordered—That order of the day No. 1, government business, be called on immediately.

- 12:04:00 PM

4Freedom of Information Amendment Bill 2025

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

- 12:04:10 PM

Suspension of standing and sessional orders moved

Mr Hawke (Manager of Opposition Business) moved—That so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would prevent all remaining proceedings on the Freedom of Information Amendment Bill 2025 taking place in this Chamber.

Mr Wallace, 12:14:16 PM.

- 12:19:29 PM

Debate ensued.

Mr Burke, 12:19:31 PM.

- 12:25:46 PM

Question—put.

- 12:25:54 PM

Division 33

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 45

Ms Aldred	Mr Gee	Mrs McIntosh	Mr Tehan
Mr Batt	Dr Haines	Ms McKenzie	Mr Venning
Ms Bell	Mr Hamilton	Mr Pasin	Mr Violi
Mr Birrell	Mr Hastie	Ms Penfold	Mr Wallace
Ms Boele	Mr Hawke	Mr Pike*	Ms Watson-Brown
Mr Boyce	Mr Joyce	Mr Rebello	Dr Webster
Mr Buchholz	Mr Kennedy	Dr M Ryan	Mr Wilkie
Mr Caldwell	Ms Landry*	Dr Scamps	Mr Willcox
Mr Chaffey	Ms Le	Mr Small	Mr R Wilson
Ms Chaney	Mr Leeser	Ms Spender	Mr T Wilson
Mr Chester	Mr McCormack	Ms Steggall	Mr Young
Mr Conaghan

NOES, 84

Mr Abdo	Ms Collins	Mr Keogh	Mr Repacholi
Mr Albanese	Ms Comer	Mr Khalil	Ms Rishworth
Ms Ambihaipahar	Ms K Cook	Ms C King	Ms Roberts
Ms Belyea	Ms T Cook	Ms M M H King	Ms Rowland
Ms Berry	Ms Doyle	Ms Lawrence	Ms J Ryan
Mr Bowen	Mr Dreyfus	Mr Laxale	Ms Scrymgour
Ms Briskey	Mrs Elliot	Dr Leigh	Ms Sitou
Mr Burke	Dr Freelander	Ms McBain	Mr D Smith*
Mr Burnell	Mr French	Mr Marles	Mr M Smith
Mr Burns	Dr Garland	Ms Mascarenhas	Mr Soon
Mr Butler	Mr Georganas	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Stanley*
Ms Byrnes	Mr Giles	Mr Mitchell	Ms Teesdale
Ms Campbell	Mr Gorman	Mr Moncrieff	Ms Templeman
Dr Chalmers	Mr Gosling	Dr Mulino	Mr Thistlethwaite
Dr Charlton	Mr Gregg	Mr Neumann	Ms Thwaites
Ms Chesters	Mr Hill	Mr Ng	Ms Urquhart
Mr Clare	Mr Holzberger	Ms O’Neil	Mr Watts
Ms Claydon	Mr Husic	Mrs Phillips	Ms Wells
Ms Clutterham	Ms Jarrett	Ms Plibersek	Ms White
Ms Coffey	Ms Jordan-Baird	Mr Rae	Ms Witty
Ms Coker	Ms Kearney	Dr Reid	Mr Zappia

* Tellers

And so it was negatived.

- 12:34:46 PM

Mr Violi (Chief Opposition Whip) sought leave to table a document. Leave not granted.

- 12:35:05 PM

Debate resumed.

Mr Wallace, 12:35:15 PM.

- 1:05:24 PM

Debate adjourned (Mr Gorman—Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.

- 1:05:56 PM

5Customs Tariff Amendment (Geelong Treaty Implementation) Bill 2025

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Debate resumed.

Mr Conaghan, 1:06:07 PM.

- 1:13:51 PM

Debate adjourned (Mr Gorman—Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.

- 1:14:17 PM

6Regulatory Reform Omnibus Bill 2025

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Debate resumed.

Mr Ted O’Brien, 1:14:25 PM.

- 1:29:58 PM

It being 1.30 pm, the debate was interrupted in accordance with standing order 43 and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.

- 1:30:10 PM

7MEMBERS’ STATEMENTS

Members’ statements were made.

Mr Boyce, 1:30:14 PM. Ms Witty, 1:31:37 PM. Mr Buchholz, 1:33:10 PM. Mr Neumann, 1:34:39 PM. Mr Gee, 1:36:13 PM. Mr Laxale, 1:37:51 PM. Mr Wilkie, 1:39:21 PM. Ms Briskey, 1:40:48 PM. Mr Caldwell, 1:42:16 PM. Mr Burnell, 1:43:55 PM. Mr Chaffey, 1:45:13 PM. Ms Doyle, 1:46:48 PM. Mr Hamilton, 1:48:22 PM. Mr D Smith, 1:49:47 PM. Mr Chester, 1:51:17 PM. Ms Clutterham, 1:52:51 PM. Mr Conaghan, 1:54:23 PM. Mr Soon, 1:55:58 PM. Mr McCormack, 1:57:30 PM. Mr Repacholi, 1:59:13 PM.

- 2:01:38 PM

Mr Albanese (Prime Minister), by indulgence, made a statement welcoming winners of the Prime Minister’s Prizes for Science.

- 2:03:24 PM

Ms Ley (Leader of the Opposition), by indulgence, made a statement on the same matter.

- 2:05:36 PM

8QUESTIONS

- 2:05:39 PM

(1)Mr Rebello to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:09:03 PM

(2)Mr Holzberger to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:12:47 PM

(3)Mr Kennedy to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Hawke. 2:14:13 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:14:32 PM. Mr Albanese, 2:15:38 PM.

- 2:18:12 PM

(4)Ms Sitou to Mr Bowen (Minister for Climate Change and Energy)

- 2:21:45 PM

Distinguished visitor announced.

- 2:22:09 PM

(5)Dr Haines to Mr Burke (Minister representing the Minister for the Environment and Water)

- 2:25:42 PM

(6)Ms Thwaites to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:29:20 PM

(7)Mr Ted O’Brien to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:32:46 PM

(8)Mr D Smith to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:35:53 PM

(9)Ms Ley to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:39:41 PM

(10)Mr Repacholi to Mr Conroy (Minister representing the Minister for Industry and Innovation)

- 2:43:31 PM

(11)Mr Hogan to Mr Bowen (Minister for Climate Change and Energy)

- 2:47:00 PM

(12)Mr M Smith to Ms M M H King (Minister for Resources)

- 2:50:26 PM

(13)Ms Chaney to Mr Burke (Minister representing the Minister for the Environment and Water)

- 2:54:03 PM

(14)Mrs Phillips to Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Ageing)

- 2:57:22 PM

(15)Mr Ted O’Brien to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 3:01:17 PM

(16)Ms Comer to Ms O’Neil (Minister for Housing)

- 3:04:38 PM

(17)Mr Gee to Ms C King (Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government)

- 3:08:09 PM

(18)Ms Scrymgour to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 3:11:45 PM

(19)Ms Aldred to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Hawke. 3:14:29 PM. Mr Albanese, 3:15:25 PM.

- 3:16:31 PM

(20)Ms Stanley to Ms Rishworth (Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations)

- 3:20:33 PM

(21)Mr Gee to Ms O’Neil (Minister for Housing)

- 3:24:05 PM

(22)Mr Burns to Mr Clare (Minister for Education)

- 3:27:44 PM

Ms Ley (Leader of the Opposition), by indulgence, made a statement congratulating Jamie Melham, winner of the Melbourne Cup 2025.

- 3:28:21 PM

9DOCUMENTS

The following documents were presented:

Army and Air Force Canteen Service—Report for 2024-25, incorporating the annual reports on the monitoring of the equal employment opportunity management plan and of work health and safety arrangements and statistics.

Australian Communications and Media Authority and the eSafety Commissioner—Reports for 2024‑25.

Australian Institute of Family Studies—Report for 2024-25.

Australian National Maritime Museum—Report for 2024-25.

Australian Rail Track Corporation Limited—Report for 2024-25.

Australian Renewable Energy Agency—Report for 2024-25.

Australian Sports Commission—Report for 2024-25.

Australian Sports Foundation—Report for 2024-25.

Department of Health, Disability and Ageing—Report for 2024-25.

Digital Transformation Agency—Report for 2024-25.

Independent Health and Aged Care Pricing Authority—Report for 2024-25.

Jobs and Skills Australia—Connecting for impact: Aligning productivity, participation and skills—Jobs and skills report for 2025.

National Capital Authority—Report for 2024-25.

National Heavy Vehicle Regulator—Report for 2024-25.

Office of the Special Investigator—Report for 2024-25.

Sport Integrity Australia—Report for 2024-25.

Sydney Harbour Federation Trust—Report for 2024-25.

Veterans’ Review Board—Report for 2024-25.

The documents were made Parliamentary Papers.

- 3:28:33 PM

10SPEAKER’S PANEL

The following warrant revoking a nomination of the Speaker’s panel, pursuant to standing order 17, was presented:

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Pursuant to the provisions of standing order 17, I revoke the nomination of Garth Russell Hamilton to be a member of the Speaker’s panel.

Given under my hand on 4 November 2025.

Dugald Milton Dick

Speaker

- 3:28:47 PM

11DISCUSSION OF MATTER OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE—Regional Australia

The House was informed that Mr Hogan had proposed that a definite matter of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion, namely, “This Government’s betrayal of regional Australia is hurting family budgets and businesses”.

- 3:28:54 PM

The proposed discussion having received the necessary support—

- 3:29:09 PM

Mr Hogan rising to address the House—

- 3:29:09 PM

Mr Burke (Leader of the House) moved—That the business of the day be called on.

- 3:29:11 PM

Question—put.

- 3:29:20 PM

Division 34

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 84

Mr Abdo	Ms Comer	Mr Keogh	Dr Reid
Ms Ambihaipahar	Mr Conroy	Mr Khalil	Mr Repacholi
Ms Belyea	Ms K Cook	Ms C King	Ms Roberts
Ms Berry	Ms T Cook	Ms M M H King	Ms Rowland
Mr Bowen	Ms Doyle	Ms Lawrence	Ms J Ryan
Ms Briskey	Mr Dreyfus	Mr Laxale	Ms Scrymgour
Mr Burke	Mrs Elliot	Dr Leigh	Ms Sitou
Mr Burnell	Dr Freelander	Ms McBain	Mr D Smith*
Mr Burns	Mr French	Ms McBride	Mr M Smith
Mr Butler	Dr Garland	Mr Marles	Mr Soon
Ms Byrnes	Mr Georganas	Ms Mascarenhas	Ms Stanley*
Ms Campbell	Mr Giles	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Teesdale
Dr Chalmers	Mr Gorman	Mr Mitchell	Ms Templeman
Dr Charlton	Mr Gosling	Mr Moncrieff	Mr Thistlethwaite
Ms Chesters	Mr Gregg	Dr Mulino	Ms Thwaites
Mr Clare	Mr Hill	Mr Neumann	Ms Urquhart
Ms Claydon	Mr Holzberger	Mr Ng	Mr Watts
Ms Clutterham	Mr Husic	Ms O’Neil	Ms Wells
Ms Coffey	Ms Jarrett	Mrs Phillips	Ms White
Ms Coker	Ms Jordan-Baird	Ms Plibersek	Ms Witty
Ms Collins	Ms Kearney	Mr Rae	Mr Zappia

NOES, 49

Ms Aldred	Dr Haines	Ms McKenzie	Mr Taylor
Mr Batt	Mr Hamilton	Mr L O’Brien	Mr Tehan
Ms Bell	Mr Hastie	Mr Pasin	Mr Venning
Mr Birrell	Mr Hawke	Ms Penfold	Mr Violi
Ms Boele	Mr Hogan	Mr Pike*	Mr Wallace
Mr Boyce	Mr Joyce	Mr Rebello	Ms Watson-Brown
Mr Buchholz	Mr Kennedy	Dr M Ryan	Dr Webster
Mr Caldwell	Ms Landry*	Dr Scamps	Mr Wilkie
Mr Chaffey	Ms Le	Ms Sharkie	Mr Willcox
Ms Chaney	Mr Leeser	Mr Small	Mr R Wilson
Mr Chester	Mr McCormack	Ms Spender	Mr T Wilson
Mr Conaghan	Mrs McIntosh	Ms Steggall	Mr Young
Mr Gee

* Tellers

And so it was resolved in the affirmative.

- 3:35:50 PM

12Regulatory Reform Omnibus Bill 2025

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Debate resumed.

Dr Leigh, 3:36:45 PM.

- 3:42:48 PM

Question—put and passed—bill read a second time.

- 3:43:10 PM

Consideration in detail

Bill, by leave, taken as a whole.

- 3:43:20 PM

Document

Dr Leigh (Assistant Minister for Productivity, Competition, Charities and Treasury) presented a supplementary explanatory memorandum to the bill.

- 3:43:27 PM

On the motion of Dr Leigh, the Government amendment was made.

- 3:43:52 PM

Debate ensued.

Ms Spender, 3:43:52 PM. Dr Leigh, 3:47:34 PM.

- 3:49:44 PM

Bill, as amended, agreed to.

Consideration in detail concluded.

- 3:49:57 PM

On the motion of Dr Leigh, by leave, the bill was read a third time.

- 3:50:24 PM

13MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

Messages from the Senate, 4 November 2025, were reported returning the following bills without amendments or requests:

No. 46—Treasury Laws Amendment (Payday Superannuation) Bill 2025.

No. 47—Superannuation Guarantee Charge Amendment Bill 2025 (without requests).

- 3:50:47 PM

14Environment Protection Reform Bill 2025

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Debate resumed.

Point of order, Mr Hawke. 3:51:10 PM. Point of order, Mr Hawke. 3:52:43 PM. Ms Bell, 3:53:09 PM. Mr Laxale, 4:15:52 PM.

- 4:31:01 PM

Suspension of standing and sessional orders

Mr Burke (Leader of the House) moved—That so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would prevent the following from occurring:

(1)in the House:

(a)today standing order 33 (limit on business after normal time of adjournment) being suspended for the sitting; and

(b)today at 8 pm, notwithstanding standing order 31, the adjournment debate being interrupted and government business having priority until:

(i)business concludes, if earlier than 10 pm; or

(ii)10 pm; or

(iii)a later time specified by a Minister prior to 10 pm;

at which point, the debate being adjourned and the House immediately adjourning until Wednesday, 5 November at 9 am;

(2)today in the Federation Chamber, government business being given priority until the Federation Chamber adjourns at approximately 9.30 pm;

(3)the Environment Protection Reform Bill 2025 being debated in cognate with government business orders of the day Nos 5 to 10; and

(4)any variation to this arrangement being made only on a motion moved by a Minister.

- 4:33:25 PM

Debate ensued.

Mr Hawke, 4:33:25 PM.

- 4:34:14 PM

Question—put.

- 4:34:21 PM

Division 35

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 84

Mr Abdo	Ms Comer	Mr Keogh	Dr Reid
Ms Ambihaipahar	Mr Conroy	Mr Khalil	Mr Repacholi
Ms Belyea	Ms K Cook	Ms C King	Ms Roberts
Ms Berry	Ms T Cook	Ms M M H King	Ms Rowland
Mr Bowen	Ms Doyle	Ms Lawrence	Ms J Ryan
Ms Briskey	Mr Dreyfus	Mr Laxale	Ms Scrymgour
Mr Burke	Mrs Elliot	Dr Leigh	Ms Sitou
Mr Burnell	Dr Freelander	Ms McBain	Mr D Smith*
Mr Burns	Mr French	Ms McBride	Mr M Smith
Mr Butler	Dr Garland	Mr Marles	Mr Soon
Ms Byrnes	Mr Georganas	Ms Mascarenhas	Ms Stanley*
Ms Campbell	Mr Giles	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Teesdale
Dr Chalmers	Mr Gorman	Mr Mitchell	Ms Templeman
Dr Charlton	Mr Gregg	Mr Moncrieff	Mr Thistlethwaite
Ms Chesters	Dr Haines	Dr Mulino	Ms Thwaites
Mr Clare	Mr Hill	Mr Neumann	Ms Urquhart
Ms Claydon	Mr Holzberger	Mr Ng	Mr Watts
Ms Clutterham	Mr Husic	Ms O’Neil	Ms White
Ms Coffey	Ms Jarrett	Mrs Phillips	Mr Wilkie
Ms Coker	Ms Jordan-Baird	Ms Plibersek	Ms Witty
Ms Collins	Ms Kearney	Mr Rae	Mr Zappia

NOES, 45

Ms Aldred	Mr Gee	Mrs McIntosh	Ms Steggall
Mr Batt	Mr Hamilton	Ms McKenzie	Mr Taylor
Ms Bell	Mr Hastie	Mr L O’Brien	Mr Tehan
Mr Birrell	Mr Hawke	Mr Pasin	Mr Venning
Ms Boele	Mr Hogan	Ms Penfold	Mr Violi
Mr Boyce	Mr Joyce	Mr Pike*	Mr Wallace
Mr Buchholz	Mr Kennedy	Mr Rebello	Dr Webster
Mr Caldwell	Ms Landry*	Dr M Ryan	Mr Willcox
Mr Chaffey	Ms Le	Dr Scamps	Mr R Wilson
Ms Chaney	Mr Leeser	Ms Sharkie	Mr T Wilson
Mr Chester	Mr McCormack	Mr Small	Mr Young
Mr Conaghan

* Tellers

And so it was resolved in the affirmative—by an absolute majority.

- 4:42:14 PM

Debate continued.

- 4:42:22 PM

Cognate debate with National Environmental Protection Agency Bill 2025, Environment Information Australia Bill 2025, Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (Customs Charges Imposition) Bill 2025, Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (Excise Charges Imposition) Bill 2025, Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (General Charges Imposition) Bill 2025 and Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (Restoration Charge Imposition) Bill 2025.

Mr Wallace, 4:42:33 PM. Mr French, 4:57:36 PM. Mr T Wilson, 5:12:49 PM. Ms T Cook, 5:27:57 PM.

- 5:41:41 PM

Ms Chaney moved, as an amendment—That all words after “That” be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:
“whilst not declining to give the bill a second reading, the House:

(1)acknowledges that we need to achieve better outcomes for business and the environment;

(2)further acknowledges it is in the interest of the Government, Opposition and crossbench to work constructively to pass these reforms; and

(3)calls on the Government to amend this bill to resolve significant flaws, including loopholes in the offsets framework”.

Debate ensued.

Ms Miller-Frost, 5:57:18 PM.

- 6:04:58 PM

Quorum called, Mr Hogan.

- 6:07:08 PM

Quorum formed.

Ms Miller-Frost, 6:07:11 PM. Ms Watson-Brown, 6:12:29 PM. Ms Briskey, 6:20:36 PM. Dr Haines, 6:32:55 PM. Ms Kearney, 6:46:48 PM. Dr Scamps, 6:59:38 PM. Ms Thwaites, 7:14:46 PM. Point of order, Mr T Wilson. 7:17:31 PM. Ms Thwaites, 7:17:38 PM.

- 7:29:33 PM

15ADJOURNMENT DEBATE

It being 7.30 pm—The question was proposed—That the House do now adjourn.

Debate ensued.

Mr Joyce, 7:29:39 PM. Ms Stanley, 7:34:44 PM. Mr Wilkie, 7:39:32 PM. Mr Georganas, 7:44:31 PM.

- 7:45:18 PM

Document

Mr Georganas, by leave, presented the following document:

Cultivating the Greek language within the Australian diaspora: The current landscape, barriers and frameworks—Report by Dimity Vlahos, 22 October 2025.

- 7:49:40 PM

Debate continued.

Mr Hawke, 7:49:41 PM. Ms Miller-Frost, 7:54:42 PM.

- 7:59:28 PM

16Environment Protection Reform Bill 2025

It being 8 pm—In accordance with the resolution agreed to earlier this sitting—

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—And on the amendment moved thereto by Ms Chaney (see item No. 14, page XX)—

Debate resumed.

- 7:59:38 PM

Dr Webster, 8:00:01 PM. Ms Campbell, 8:12:54 PM. Ms Boele, 8:28:03 PM. Ms Coffey, 8:40:48 PM. Dr M Ryan, 8:55:08 PM. Dr Garland, 9:07:03 PM. Ms Sharkie, 9:22:05 PM. Ms Jarrett, 9:29:31 PM. Ms Steggall, 9:44:36 PM.

- 9:59:42 PM

It being 10 pm, debate was adjourned and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:59:42 PM

17ADJOURNMENT

At 10 pm, the Speaker adjourned the House until 9 am tomorrow, in accordance with the resolution agreed to earlier this sitting.

- 9:59:54 PM

DOCUMENTS

The following documents were deemed to have been presented on 4 November 2025 (An explanatory statement has been presented with each instrument unless otherwise indicated by an asterisk):

Acts Interpretation Act 1901—Statement relating to extension of time for presentation of periodic reports—High Speed Rail Authority—Report for 2024-25.

Aged Care Act 2024—Aged Care (Places Available for Allocation to Individuals 2025-2026) Determination 2025 [F2025L01349].

ASIC Supervisory Cost Recovery Levy Act 2017—

ASIC Supervisory Cost Recovery Levy Regulations 2017—ASIC (Supervisory Cost Recovery Levy—Annual Determination) Instrument 2025/690 [F2025L01347].

ASIC (Supervisory Cost Recovery Levy—Regulatory Costs) Instrument 2025/689 [F2025L01346].

Australian Education Act 2013—Australian Education Regulations 2023—Australian Education (Prescription of Guidelines and Documents) Amendment (Prescription of Ministerial Council Disability Guidelines) Determination 2025 [F2025L01344].

Greenhouse and Energy Minimum Standards Act 2012—Greenhouse and Energy Minimum Standards (Exemption) Instrument (No. 3) 2025 [F2025L01348].

Taxation Administration Act 1953—Commissioner of Taxation—Class Ruling—CR 2025/77.

- 9:59:55 PM

ATTENDANCE

All Members attended (at some time during the sitting) except Dr Aly, *Ms Fernando, Mr Katter, Mr Lim, *Ms Payne, Ms Price, Mr Thompson, Mr J Wilson and Mr Wood.

* On leave