Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence 
        and Trade 
      
      Chapter 5
       Signals, Submarines and Speedboats
      
        ... I firmly believe that jammed signals were heard. Kormoran 
        always jammed signals sent by any ship that she was involved with. The 
        [Kormoran] radio operator said that he did jam signals, so I do 
        believe signals were sent [from Sydney].1
      
      5.1    The issue of whether or not signals were sent from 
        Sydney, and where those signals may have been picked up, has been 
        one of the most widely debated issues of the inquiry. The principle areas 
        of dispute are whether or not Sydney sent signals and whether or 
        not those signals were received by Harman Naval Station outside Canberra. 
        Also open to debate is the accusation that signals were sent and received, 
        but not acted upon. 
      
Signals Sent from Kormoran
      5.2    It is widely accepted that Kormoran sent 
        a Q signal2 after she had encountered Sydney. 
        Evidence of this signal exists in the Archives, and it is not in dispute 
        in this inquiry. This signal was probably sent for two reasons. First, 
        Captain Detmers hoped that by sending the signal, he could dupe Sydney 
        into thinking there was another suspicious ship in the area, and that 
        Sydney would cease pursuit of Kormoran, allowing her to 
        escape. Second, the Q signal was a way to '... inform Germany that the 
        raider or the vessel sending it was in trouble'.3 Apparently: 
      
        ... if [the signal] had a particular letter sent with the time, that indicated 
        to outside sources that the raider was in strife. The Q signal sent by 
        the Kormoran was only picked up in mutilated form by two receivers. 
        One of them noticed that the time was present and it finished with 'GMT' 
        which was unusual  you do not send the time as well as the letters 'GMT' 
         indicating that the Germans were trying to advise someone else they 
        were in trouble. I have heard it may have been intended for a nearby station 
        which would then repeat it and that that repeat of the signal would have 
        been picked up in Germany.4 
      
      5.3    In her book, Winter raised the point that 'a ship 
        that knew enough to send "Q" signal was probably under Admiralty orders 
        and could thus have expected to have a secret call sign'.5 
        The Q signal was designed to convince Allied ships that Kormoran 
        was not the enemy and may have contributed to Captain Burnett's decision 
        to bring Sydney in close. Even if Kormoran had been unable 
        to supply the Straat Malakka's secret call sign, Captain Burnett 
        may not have been convinced she was an enemy ship. According to Winter: 
      
        Though Sydney, using the code book, could work out what Straat 
        Malakka's secret call sign ought to be, this did not mean that the 
        call sign had ever been issued to her. Dutch ships had begun to be issued 
        with secret call signs only after 1 June 1941, and this recognition procedure 
        was still 'only applicable to red ensign and some Dutch ships'.6 
      
      5.4    In evidence given to the Committee, Dr Kim Kirsner 
        of the HMAS Sydney Foundation Trust, stated that: 
      
        The critical three or four [pieces of data] come from three or four people 
        who were in the radio transmission section of Kormoran, all of 
        whom identified the source of contact  not the actual battle, but the 
        source of contact  as 26 111 which actually falls right on the edge of 
        [the area where the Trust believes Sydney sank]. They all claimed, 
        as did many of the other survivors, including Detmers ... that there was 
        a signal from Kormoran at the moment of contact. They basically 
        represented themselves as a merchantman signalling contact with a ship 
        approaching them. That signal was picked up by two Australian sources, 
        a vessel off the coast [Uco] ... and ... Geraldton radio where 
        the latitude was corrupt but the longitude was not.7
      
      5.5    Interviews undertaken by Mr David Kennedy with 
        Mr Hans Linke, a wireless operator on the Kormoran, indicate that 
        'Kormoran jammed Sydney's signals. ... [Linke said] "we 
        jammed by pretending to call other ships. Brazilians, neutrals, we called. 
        We made wireless traffic that did not really exist" '.8 
      
Signals Sent from Sydney 
      5.6     great many submissions to this inquiry addressed 
        whether or not signals were sent from Sydney prior to, during and 
        indeed after her encounter with the Kormoran. The issue is complicated 
        by uncertainty about whether the messages attributed to Sydney 
        were transmitted in plain voice (para 5.32), morse or encrypted code and 
        the reports of signals are largely anecdotal. 
      
5.7    A number of reports of signals believed to have 
        been from Sydney have emerged, including: 
      
        - the Q signal, actually sent by Kormoran, but originally thought 
          to have possibly originated from Sydney;9 
        
 - a message allegedly received at Naval Communications Station, HMAS 
          Harman, (according to Mr Robert Mason) that Sydney had 
          'bailed up a quere (sic) customer' and was going to investigate. There 
          is also a report from the same source of a signal that Sydney 
          was about to open fire, and a later message that was not recorded as 
          the operators had supposedly left the headsets unattended;10 
          and 
        
 - the 'Sydney calling Darwin' signal, indicating the ship was 
          on fire and the crew were preparing to abandon ship (see paras 5.28-5.33). 
          This signal, in morse but not encoded, may also be the message heard 
          on short wave radio at the Esplanade Hotel in Geraldton.11 
      
 
      5.8    With the exception of the 'Q' signal which has 
        already been discussed above, the evidence for these signals is examined 
        in this section. Verifying the source of the signal has proved difficult, 
        as can be seen from the following comments. According to one submission, 
        'the puzzling radio communication question arising from the incident is 
        the apparent lack of any official record of any message ever having been 
        received in any form either in plain language or code from either ship 
        in the encounter'.12 
      
5.9    A corollary of this is that if signals were sent 
        from Sydney before or during the action and received, why was a 
        search for Sydney not sent out until 24 November,13 
        a full four days after her amended estimated date of arrival in Fremantle. 
        The official version of events states that 'From Sydney herself, 
        no word was ever received'.14 
      
The Official Account
      5.10    During wartime, radio silence would normally have 
        been observed, and the official account reflects a belief that, upon meeting 
        an unidentified ship and subsequently being sunk by it, the Sydney 
        sent out no radio message to indicate its position or the trouble it was 
        facing. 
      
5.11    The Department of Defence drew attention to the 
        fact that 'There were standard occasions for breaking radio silence when 
        it was imposed, and one of them was contact with the enemy'.15 
        If no signal was sent from Sydney, as the Department of Defence 
        asserts, this suggests several possibilities: that Captain Burnett must 
        have been convinced that the ship it had encountered was not the enemy; 
        or Captain Burnett did not have sufficient time to send a signal before 
        Sydney's communications systems were inoperable; or finally, that 
        at the time of the encounter between the two ships, Sydney was 
        passing through what Barbara Winter refers to as a 'dead spot'.16 
      
5.12    Mr James Eagles theorised that: 
      
        ... some of the first shell hits apparently were in the bridge area and 
        around the director. They could quite easily have taken out all the aerials 
        on the ship, including the roof aerials. So while all the transmitters 
        might have been quite functional and a signal might actually have been 
        sent and jammed, there may not have been enough range or power output 
        to actually get out a signal.
      
      He went on to suggest that emergency aerials might have been rigged, 
        depending on the level of damage sustained during the engagement.17 
      
Mason's Claims and his Critics
      5.13    Mr Robert Mason, a Naval writer posted to Harman, 
        has stated that a message was in fact received at Harman on the 
        evening of 19 November 1941, and that all staff present there that night 
        were sworn to secrecy. Mr Mason was told a message had been received that 
        the Sydney had a 'queer customer bailed up' and was attempting 
        to identify her. There was another signal indicating Sydney was 
        going to open fire. A further signal was lost as the two headsets had 
        been left unattended for a short period.18 He claimed 
        that the Naval Board knew Sydney was in trouble, but decided not 
        to send out a search. Other staff present at Harman on 19 November 
        1941 have made submissions to this inquiry, refuting Mr Mason's account 
        of what happened that night. 
      
5.14    In support of Mr Mason's claims, the Committee 
        was told by Mr David Kennedy that he interviewed Mr David 'Ron' Griffiths 
        in 1997, who said: 
      
        ... that he was a young and very conscientious telegraphist relieving 
        at HMAS Cerberus for a week when he picked up a signal in three-letter 
        emergency fleet code on ship-shore frequency just before 8pm on 19 November. 
        Griffiths said, 'It was difficult to read, fading and I was only getting 
        bits of it but what I received I wrote in the log ... I didn't decipher 
        it ...'.19 
      
      5.15    Griffiths also said that he handed over to a senior 
        WRAN at the end of his shift, telling her that he thought the message 
        was something important. When he returned a couple of minutes later 'the 
        headphones were on the desk and the WRAN was in the galley making coffee'.20 
        Both Harman and Cerberus logs are missing21 
        and there is no documentary evidence to suggest that signals either to 
        or from Sydney were received.22 
      
5.16    If anyone had heard a signal from Sydney 
        it would most probably have been Harman, '... the most powerful 
        wireless station in the Southern Hemisphere ...',23 
        (more powerful than stations in Western Australia) and there would have 
        been at least two wireless ratings listening to the frequency set aside 
        for enemy reporting. In the event of a signal being received, the signal 
        would (normally) have been redirected to the Australian Commonwealth Navy 
        Board (ACNB), which would have in turn forwarded it to the Admiralty in 
        London.24 
      
5.17    Mr John McArthur was convinced by Mr Mason's account 
        of 19 November at Harman. In evidence to the inquiry, Mr McArthur 
        stated that: 
      
        Interviews with [Mason] before his death and the subsequent release of 
        his documents give rise to the gravest doubts about Navy's position. Even 
        in the face of Mason's evidence the Navy has gone to great lengths to 
        destroy Mason's story. The fact that another person,          
        D(avid) Griffiths has emerged to confirm the receipt of signals at HMAS 
        Cerberus has been studiously ignored. My own research has put me 
        in contact with the duty RAN signalman in Fremantle on the night of 19 
        November. In front of a witness he related what happened to him that night. 
        Early in the evening watch he received a signal from Sydney: RRRR 
        v Sydney. It meant that Sydney had encountered a warship. 
        The signalman notified the Chief Petty Officer on Duty, CPO Roberts. But 
        a senior officer could not be found ... The last signal [the signalman] 
        recalls was in clear English  no need for code. Sydney was 'on 
        fire, abandoning ship'.25
      
      5.18    This claim is supported by Mr Kennedy. He submitted 
        details of an interview with Kormoran wireless operator Hans Linke 
        which: 
      
        ... tends to support the statements made by Robert Mason that signals 
        were received from Sydney and allows for them being broken up  
        as also described by David Griffiths at Cerberus ... It should 
        also be considered that Mason's references to Sydney having bailed 
        up a queer customer would have been what Mason was told by Ben Tiller, 
        in paraphrased colloquial form, rather than a direct quote of a signal.26 
      
      5.19    Mr Kennedy's point about Mr Mason not actually 
        hearing the message personally is important, and discussion on this possible 
        signal is not always clear on this point. 
      
5.20    Miss Marion Stevens, a WRAN present at Harman 
        on the night Sydney sank, has refuted Mr Mason's claims, criticising 
        them on a number of grounds. First, Miss Stevens states that 'no CAPTAIN 
        or any other officer would authorize a message 'AM ABOUT TO OPEN 
        FIRE'. The Kormoran would have been monitoring Sydney 
        and a message like this one would give the Kormoran a distinct 
        advantage to get off the first 'shell'.27 She also stresses 
        'the fact that the Transceiver in Sydney WAS THE LATEST AND 
        MOST MODERN 'NAVY No 36' BUT IT WOULD ONLY HANDLE MORSE CODE ... 
        Any R/T signals originating anywhere DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM THE SYDNEY'.28 
      
5.21    This evidence is damning of claims made in the 
        documentary 'No Survivors',29 in which it was stated 
        that 'weak plain language signals [were] received from Sydney by 
        RAAF personnel in Darwin. According to this programme, signals indicated 
        that Sydney was on fire ... the message was passed on to Naval 
        authorities but no searching aircraft were sent out because the Navy claimed 
        that Sydney was not then overdue'.30 
      
5.22    Mrs Daphne Wright, also present at Harman 
        the night Sydney sunk, supports Miss Stevens' recollections. Mrs 
        Wright's submission to the inquiry stated that: 
      
        During the period when HMAS Sydney was apparently overdue, my clear 
        recollection and experience was of receiving firm and urgent instructions 
        ... to listen out ... for a signal from HMAS Sydney.
      
      
        To my knowledge, no one was aware at that time of the encounter of HMAS 
        Sydney with an enemy ship on the 19 November in the Indian Ocean 
        off the West Australian Coast as HMAS Sydney did not break W/T 
        silence to advise of the impending engagement. Certainly not as far 
        as HMAS Harman's reception was concerned. Also, as no signal 
        of distress was received from HMAS Sydney at HMAS Harman, 
        presumably after the fatal encounter with the German raider Kormoran, 
        it may be assumed that its wireless apparatus had been destroyed.31 
      
      5.23    Miss Stevens also rebuts the evidence of Mr David 
        Griffiths about Cerberus, pointing out that there were no WRANS 
        present at Cerberus until May 1943.32 
      
5.24    One of the WRANS present at Harman the 
        night of 19 November, Mrs Judy Saunders, initially supported Mr Mason's 
        claims that a something significant happened that night. In a submission 
        to the inquiry, Mrs Saunders stated that: 
      
        I was a telegraphist on watch at Harman on 19th November. I remember 
        the C.O. had the headphones on, which was most unusual. I cannot say if 
        he received a message or had been called in because of one, but he put 
        the headphones on and rushed into his office  we were told it was to 
        ring Navy Board in Melbourne. From then on we all kept watch on all possible 
        channels listening for a message from the ship. Somehow we all knew it 
        was the Sydney we were searching for.33 
      
      5.25    Mrs Saunders, in a supplementary submission, indicated 
        that 'on reflection I realise my dating of the incident which occurred 
        at Harman could be inaccurate ...'.34 
      
5.26    Mr Alan Cohn was a Senior Coder in one of the 
        four watches at Harman in November 1941. As such he was 'privy 
        to all matters which occurred during a watch on which [he] was on duty'. 
        It is Mr Cohn's 'considered opinion that no message was received by Harman 
        from HMAS Sydney at or after her action with the German ship Kormoran'. 
        Mr Cohn recollects calls going out from Harman for Sydney 
        over several days, but to his knowledge there was no response.35 
      
5.27    In the light of the evidence of four people intimately 
        involved in monitoring of signals at HMAS Harman in November 1941, 
        doubt must exist regarding the accuracy of Mr Mason's recollections about 
        the timing and indeed nature of the signal. 
      
Other Signals
      5.28    Other claims that signals were received emerged 
        after the war. According to PMG Officer Len Hall, stationed at the Hamelin 
        Pool PMG repeater station at the time, late in the night of 19/20 November 
        1941 heavy telephonic traffic (between Fremantle and RAAF Pearce) took 
        place on the line between Perth and Carnarvon,36 with 
        that situation continuing for the next five or six days. Mr Hall, in an 
        interview many years later, claimed 'he had heard a signal recording that 
        Sydney opened fire first'.37 
      
5.29    Another signal supposedly received from Sydney 
        in Darwin (as 'Sydney calling Darwin') was sent in plain language 
        (i.e. unencrypted). Mr Gordon Laffer reportedly saw a file in RAAF intelligence 
        records, indicating a message along the lines of 'Sydney calling 
        Darwin. On fire fore and aft. Preparing to abandon ship ...', followed 
        by a latitude and longitude. No record of the signal or the file can be 
        found. The potential failure of people to properly identify signals is 
        illustrated by an instance in which LCDR Ean McDonald RAN (Retd) advised 
        the Committee that a similar signal was reportedly logged by HMAS Perth 
        in Port Phillip Bay, about 25 November 1941. LCDR McDonald acknowledges 
        that he realised later the signal could not have come from Sydney 
        as it was some days after the ship was actually lost.38 
      
5.30    In her book The Intrigue Master, Barbara 
        Winter cites this signal, stating that 'the key is an entry in the South 
        West Area Combined Headquarters Log for 1543 on 4 December 1941: 
      
        S/L (Squadron Leader) Cooper and Geraldton reports one of his operators 
        listening on 24.5 metres heard R/T telephone sign calling Darwin or technical 
        telegraph operator. Signals weak & operator thought it may be from HMAS 
        Sydney. Later Geraldton report strength of signal increasing.39 
      
      5.31    It has been accepted by many Sydney authors 
        that this signal was not, as is widely believed, from HMAS Sydney, 
        but rather, from the PMG Sydney.40 Mr David Kennedy 
        has also raised the possibility that the signal may have been 'messages 
        sent to wireless stations from a central authority about signals from 
        HMAS Sydney. Basically, we appear to have Darwin and Singapore 
        being informed of efforts to get signals from, or to, a distressed Sydney 
        ...'.41 
      
5.32    Other reports of plain voice distress calls attributed 
        to Sydney have emerged from time to time. For example, Mrs Glenys 
        McDonald recounts the recollections of a young girl living in the Port 
        Gregory area who 'recalled a plain voice distress call from HMAS Sydney 
        breaking into her evening radio programs'.42 However, 
        in regard to these and other such claims, it is relevant to note the statement 
        by Alaistair Templeton that 'Sydney did not even have an R/T capability, 
        so any words heard were not from Sydney'.43 
      
5.33    The Committee agrees with Dr Frame that: 
      
        It is also possible, and one suspects probable, that some individual on 
        board Sydney would have attempted to send some signal during the 
        action if the ship's communications equipment was operational. If this 
        individual was not a specialist radio operator, or if some or all of the 
        ship's communications equipment was damaged, ... it is likely that signal 
        transmissions from Sydney could have been totally unsuccessful, 
        broken and incoherent, difficult to decipher, or sent on inappropriate 
        frequencies or by suspect methods in the hope of raising some alarm ashore.44 
      
      Records of Signals
      5.34    The process of intercepting radio communications 
        was a hit and miss affair. A signal, even if not picked up in Australia, 
        may have been picked up elsewhere, for example in London or Washington 
        or Berlin.45 The Acting Director of DSD pointed out 
        that navy signals intelligence operators in Australia would have been 
        focusing not on signals from Australian ships, but on foreign signals. 
        He added that 'If they did roll onto an Australian communication for some 
        reason, they would keep going because their whole reason for being is 
        to focus on foreign communications'.46 
      
5.35    DSD's Acting Director went further when he stated 
        that 'as a signals intelligence organisation, [DSD] would not collect 
        signals intelligence against Australian platforms under any circumstances; 
        therefore, if we were operating at the time [which was not the case], 
        we would still have no records related to [the loss of Sydney] 
        because that is not part of our function as a foreign intelligence collector'.47 
      
5.36    As noted in Chapter 3, there is a large volume 
        of signals packs in the custody of the Australian Archives that has not 
        been examined. However, as Australian Archives has indicated: 
      
        In order to identify all signal traffic passing to or from the Sydney, 
        the Archives has conducted a search of these signal packs for messages 
        sent and received between 11 and 20 November 1941 inclusive, the period 
        during which any signals sent by the Sydney after her departure 
        from Fremantle would have been transmitted. No signals either to or from 
        the Sydney during this period, other than those described, have 
        been found.48 
      
      5.37    The historical adviser to the Committee, Professor 
        Peter Dennis, also inspected signal packs at the Australian Archives Melbourne 
        office, without locating anything new by way of signal traffic (see para 
        3.10). 
      
5.38    On balance, the Committee believes that it is 
        likely that Sydney attempted to signal once the engagement was 
        underway, but there is no evidence that the signals were received by naval 
        or other authorities. The Committee can find no evidence that signals 
        were received and were ignored deliberately by the RAN or by the Admiralty. 
      
Theories of Third Party Involvement
      5.39    The magnitude of the loss of Sydney and 
        the ensuing debate on her fate has focused in large part on whether the 
        engagement was as described by the German survivors or whether another 
        explanation was more likely: 
      
        Hovering above all on the mystery of the Sydney there remains a 
        burning flame of suspicion on how a gallant cruiser which had proved itself 
        as totally efficient and well-armed in several major engagements of actual 
        combat, could be sunk without even one survivor of her 645 crew, in an 
        encounter with an armed merchant raider which although itself sunk, had 
        315 survivors from its crew of 400 (sic). That is why it has already been 
        suggested that there was a third party involved at the scene of the encounter.49 
      
      5.40    Since the loss of Sydney, there has been 
        a proliferation of theories that Kormoran did not act alone. Among 
        the suggestions put forward in this inquiry are that a Japanese submarine, 
        an Italian submarine50 or a German U-boat51 
        were involved in or responsible for the sinking.52 The 
        accusations levelled at the Japanese extend to claims that they murdered 
        survivors from the Sydney so as to leave no trace of the battle 
        and to cover up their involvement.53 Of these theories, 
        the Japanese submarine theory is the most widely repeated, experiencing 
        a resurgence in the aftermath of the publishing of Michael Montgomery's 
        book in 1981. Until the publication of Montgomery's book, theories about 
        a Japanese submarine had been largely ignored by mainstream commentators. 
        As one person noted: 
      
        Hitherto, the question of a Japanese submarine has been scorned, largely 
        on the grounds that the Japanese would have taken great pains to ensure 
        that there were no 'incidents' prior to 7 December which would have alerted 
        their enemies.54 
      
      5.41    Notwithstanding Mr Montgomery's contribution to 
        the theory that a Japanese submarine sank Sydney, the theory itself 
        circulated many years earlier, soon after the ship was lost. According 
        to one submission, 'The [Japanese submarine] rumour continues today. No 
        one seems to know how it started, but it was supposed to have come from 
        some-one who was on a ship in the Indian Ocean at the time of the battle'.55 
        Another submission asked: 
      
        What was the origin of the story of a Japanese submarine? Strangely enough, 
        this seems to have started with a propaganda broadcast from Tokyo, sponsored 
        by the Department of Naval Propaganda, probably in late December, although 
        transcripts from that period do not seem to have survived. The aim of 
        these broadcasts was to create confusion and despondency in Australia. 
        In this case, they succeeded only too well ... The Japanese were not responsible 
        for sinking Sydney, but they were responsible for the rumour that 
        they did.56 
      
      5.42    It was suggested that probably in late December 
        1941 Radio Tokyo (sponsored by the Department of Naval Propaganda) was 
        transmitting that a Japanese submarine was responsible for sinking Sydney. 
        Evidence was given by the Western Australian Maritime Museum (WAMM) that 
        in 1942 Radio Tokyo broadcast that Sydney survivors were being 
        held in Japan, a story proved later to be false.57 
      
5.43    Others submitted evidence to the inquiry which 
        supported the theory of Japanese involvement in sinking Sydney. 
        Mr J J Collins told the inquiry that: 
      
        ... when we were in Victoria Point in Burma we were working for the Japanese 
        and got to speak to a Japanese Lieutenant (known as a chui) who told use 
        they were a part of the Emperors Guard, from memory he said his unit was 
        called 'Nino Ichi Emma Gee' this was a machine gun unit and they referred 
        to M.G. as emma gee  the same as we did at the time. This was in July 
        1942 when Japan was triumphant in its war with the allies, and they were 
        boasting of their success. He said quite openly that they 'of course had 
        sunk the Sydney!'59 
      
      5.44    Mr Collins also referred to an incident which 
        occurred some weeks before Sydney was lost, in which Sydney 
        received reports of a submarine in the Indian Ocean. Mr Collins was on 
        board Zealandia at the time and the two ships had been together 
        when Sydney received the report.60 
      
5.45    Mr Collins also recounted the story: 
      
        ... of a gentleman who went over with BCOF and went to the Kure training 
        area, which was analogous with Annapolis or with Jervis Bay in Australia. 
        When he was looking through the place straight after the war he noticed 
        a mural in this large room. One of the murals, the large mural, showed 
        a Japanese submarine sinking an Australian cruiser. He queried it with 
        the admiral in charge who looked at him ... and said nothing. The next 
        day he came back and it had been taken off the wall.61 
      
      5.46    Mr Bernard Eneberg also supports the involvement 
        of a Japanese submarine: 
      
        I do not believe [Burnett came in too close.] The scenario I had was that 
        he stood some distance away and commenced to shell the Kormoran 
        and then a submarine intervened ... and put a couple of torpedoes into 
        the Sydney. The Sydney heard the torpedoes coming on their 
        asdic and started up ... After she was hit, she had no control over her 
        momentum, which could have brought her up to the Kormoran and the 
        Kormoran then took over and attacked her with all her armament.62 
      
      5.47    Mr Eneberg theorised that the reason for the Japanese 
        presence off the coast of Western Australia on 19 November 1941 was that 
        the Germans and the Japanese had hatched an elaborate plan to transfer 
        specialised Japanese communications personnel to Germany. Mr Eneberg suggested 
        that: 
      
        At the beginning of November ... perhaps the Japanese High Command decided 
        that it was necessary to send an important group of personnel to co-ordinate 
        the war effort with her Axis partner Germany. Rear Admiral Wegener in 
        Tokyo would have offered the services of the German raider Kormoran 
        to meet with a Japanese submarine and take aboard the German group.63 
      
      Mr Eneberg believes that when Sydney interrupted the transfer, 
        the Japanese were forced to open fire. The Committee considered this theory, 
        but found it unconvincing. Japanese plans for war were well advanced and 
        it appears most unlikely the Japanese would have chosen such an uncertain 
        and dangerous route for transferring personnel to Germany. Again, there 
        is a total lack of documentary evidence to support Mr Eneberg's theory. 
      
5.48    One other possible source for the Japanese submarine 
        theory is a series of sketches by Dr List (of the Kormoran), which 
        many have suggested contain shorthand revealing Japanese involvement in 
        the sinking of Sydney. However, 'Dr List has always maintained 
        that there were no shorthand signs in the sketches'.64 
        The lines in the sketch have never been identified. Winter discussed the 
        supposed 'shorthand' and noted 'the symbols are certainly not in any of 
        the major German [shorthand] systems...'.65 
      
5.49    In their book Betrayal at Pearl Harbor, 
        James Rusbridger and Eric Nave briefly cite the Sydney/Kormoran 
        encounter as evidence of Japanese involvement in World War Two prior to 
        the attack on Pearl Harbour.66 It is their claim that 
        'on 19 November 1941 Japan commenced hostilities. Not against America 
        or Britain, but Australia, when the German surface raider Kormoran 
        met the Australian ... cruiser HMAS Sydney off the western coast 
        of Australia and fought the most mysterious sea battle of World War Two'.67 
      
5.50    Nave and Rusbridger cite as their source Michael 
        Montgomery's book Who Sank the Sydney?. They also challenge several 
        key theories which are accepted by many, namely that 'not a single body 
        [from the Sydney] was ever found' and that 'since the Kormoran 
        was not in a state to fire the last torpedo it must have come from another 
        vessel'.68 Nave and Rusbridger also believe that by 
        24 November 1941 the Australian Naval Board 'were satisfied (although 
        they had no absolute proof) that a Japanese I-class submarine had been 
        operating in conjunction with the Kormoran and had sunk the Sydney'.69 
        No evidence is given by Nave and Rusbridger to support their claim. 
      
5.51    Other submissions point to the presence of Japanese 
        milk bottles in the possession of the Germans as somehow proving that 
        a Japanese submarine was involved in the action. However, Kormoran 
        was re-supplied by Kulmerland, which in turn obtained supplies 
        from Japan. It is therefore not surprising that some of the items would 
        have Japanese markings on them.70 
      
Evidence Against Japanese Involvement
      5.52    One of the difficulties facing researchers who 
        support claims that a Japanese submarine was responsible for sinking Sydney 
        is the lack of evidence of Japanese submarines in the area. Submissions 
        stated: 
      
        There is no documentation and never has been in any official military 
        files in Japan about Japanese submarine involvement.71 
      
      
        ... my research and speaking to Japanese authorities cannot unearth one 
        shred of positive evidence which could position a Japanese sub[marine] 
        within six or seven thousand kilometres of the scene off the WA coast 
        on 19.11.41.72 
      
      
        Japan did not have any submarines swanning in this area, they would have 
        been in the North Pacific.73 
      
      5.53    The Department of Defence completely discounted 
        the possibility of a Japanese submarine being involved. It believed that 
        'there is nothing which has provided any evidence for us to believe that 
        [the Kormoran was supported by supply ships in an offensive role 
        against Sydney] ... We have nothing that links the presence of 
        a Japanese submarine to that action'.74 
      
5.54    There is a striking lack of evidence to support 
        the theory that a Japanese submarine was involved in, or responsible for, 
        sinking Sydney. This, however, does not stop the theory from being 
        stated.75 Mr John Doohan, of the End Secrecy on Sydney 
        Group, told the Committee that: 
      
        I have not said that there were Japanese submarines there, but everything 
        points to them being there. Kormoran certainly did not [sink Sydney]. 
        There were no German submarines in the Indian Ocean at that time. That 
        is their record and I believe it ... We had Jap submarines in the Indian 
        Ocean before we had German submarines.76 
5.55   	Some suggested that evidence had been deliberately destroyed to cover up Japanese involvement.  However, Mr Doohan suggested to the Committee that:
Any records of a Japanese submarine involved in sinking of an Australian ship by mistake  the Japanese certainly did not want to sink Sydney  that may have involved Germany or Japan or their involvement before the war were never going to be put on a piece of paper to go into archives  particularly with 645 men dead.77 
      
      5.56    Research on the whereabouts of Japanese submarines 
        on 19 November 1941 refutes the claim that a Japanese submarine was responsible 
        for sinking Sydney. Much attention has focused on what are called 
        the I-class submarines, and in particular submarine I-124.78 
      
5.57    Submarine I-124, which was sunk in Darwin Harbour 
        in January of 1942, has been rejected by others however as the reason 
        for Sydney's loss. Specifically: 
      
        I-124 would have been a spectacularly bad choice; she was one of the I 
        series submarines with the shortest range and slowest speeds, both surface 
        and submerged. She was one of four special mine-layers, and they were 
        all engaged in minelaying around the Philipines (sic) and Malaya in the 
        early days of the war.79 
      
      5.58    In his work on submarine I-124,80 
        Mr Tom Lewis notes concerns (raised by Mr Ed Ferrier), that Japanese submarine 
        I-124, sunk in the waters off Darwin, may contain information which could 
        shed light on the circumstances surrounding the loss of Sydney. 
        He suggested that this accounts for the reluctance on the part of the 
        Japanese to allow the investigation of the wreck of I-124 in Darwin Harbour.81 
        However, Mr Lewis states that 'there is no record of I-124 being in southern 
        waters at that time'.82 Mr Lewis also cites the work 
        of David Jenkins, who states that I-124 was 'in Japanese ports in early 
        November preparing for operations in the South China Sea'.83 
      
5.59    Mr Lewis concluded that, following the publication 
        of Montgomery's book, and other works, '... the myth of the Japanese submarine 
        has slowly been accepted as factually based'.84 He believes 
        that 'there is no basis for suggestion that a Japanese submarine  and 
        that includes I-124  was involved in the tragic loss of HMAS Sydney'.85 
        Mr Lewis also made a submission to the inquiry, in which he stated that 
        'I also wish to place on record my opinion that there was no "cover-up" 
        '.86 
      
5.60    Mr J J Collins told the Committee that, despite 
        his belief that the Japanese were responsible, he had no proof of such 
        a theory. He stated in evidence that: 
      
        I have read how the Japanese had the best torpedo during the war  the 
        long lance torpedo. There is evidence on that. I have heard people say, 
        without corroborating it, that they were able to fire under the Kormoran 
        and get the Sydney. There is no doubt that they did have the best 
        torpedoes. There is plenty of evidence of that around. But no, I have 
        no corroborating evidence for what the [Japanese officer said about the 
        Japanese being responsible for sinking Sydney].87 
      
      5.61    The evidence suggests that all I-class submarines 
        were able to be accounted for in locations other than off the coast of 
        Western Australia on that date. If no I-class submarines could possibly 
        have been responsible for sinking Sydney, the challenge to researchers 
        now is to provide concrete evidence of the involvement of a particular 
        submarine, rather than more generally proposing the theory of Japanese 
        involvement. As Winter points out: 
      
        Japan ... had a finite number of submarines, and they can all be located 
        elsewhere at a time that would have made it operationally unfeasible for 
        them to have been in the area where Sydney was sunk, at the time 
        when she was sunk.88 
      
      Pastor Wittwer
      5.62    The Committee received evidence from Pastor Ivan 
        Wittwer that, while attached to the Snowy Mountains Hydro Electric Authority 
        in 1951, he met a man who claimed to be Gerhard Heinz Grossman, former 
        gunnery officer on the Kormoran. This man told Pastor Wittwer that 
        a Japanese submarine had been responsible for sinking the Sydney 
        and that this fact had been covered up by the Germans. 
      
5.63    Pastor Wittwer claimed that Grossman told him 
        the fatal torpedoes were fired from a Japanese submarine, from a distance 
        of about 2.5 miles. Grossman also told Pastor Wittwer that Sydney 
        survivors were killed in the water by machine gun fire, and stated that 
        the number of the Japanese submarine was camouflaged.89 
      
5.64    Mr Bernard Eneberg supports Pastor Wittwer's claims, 
        despite his doubts about Grossman, the man who recounted the story to 
        Pastor Wittwer. He told the Committee that 'Pastor Wittwer is quite confident 
        that whoever it was knew what he was talking about, and I would certainly 
        go along with that. Whether the man was Heinz Grossman is up for argument, 
        but he evidently knew what he was talking about'.90 
      
5.65    Pastor Wittwer, in his submission to the inquiry, 
        related details of his subsequent interview by ASIO.91 
        Having signed the Official Secrets Act, Pastor Wittwer claimed 
        he was not able to release the information until 1982.92 
        ASIO has not denied the interview occurred, but advise that 'It is possible 
        that such an interview took place and the record was subsequently destroyed 
        prior to the operation of the Archives Act 1983' or perhaps that 
        the 'records associated with the interview may have been transferred to 
        the predecessor of the present day Department of Defence'.93 
      
5.66    The Committee has no reason to doubt that Pastor 
        Wittwer did have a conversation with a person purporting to be Heinz Grossman, 
        and that he may well have been interviewed by ASIO about this matter. 
        However, the Committee has serious reservations about the identity of 
        the person claiming to be Grossman and hence his truthfulness is also 
        suspect. As Pastor Wittwer himself acknowledged: 
      
        Grossman was a con man, who cleverly worked himself into a position as 
        representative of all the Germans.94 
      
      5.67    Given that the identity of the person claiming 
        to be Grossman is not clear, the impact of his evidence is diminished, 
        although there are those who still choose to believe his claims and/or 
        the sentiments expressed by him.95 Suggestions were 
        made in the inquiry that Pastor Wittwer harboured negative feelings the 
        Japanese, which may have influenced his reaction to the information given 
        to him by the man claiming to be a Kormoran survivor.96 
      
Conclusion
      5.68    The Committee was not convinced that a case has 
        been made to show that the Japanese were responsible for sinking Sydney. 
        Of all the submissions expressing support for the theory of Japanese involvement, 
        none provided any hard evidence to prove Japanese involvement. The complete 
        lack of any evidence in Japanese archives pertaining to Sydney 
        also lessened the weight of the argument supporting Japanese involvement. 
        Given that no Japanese submarine has been identified as being in the vicinity 
        of where Sydney was sunk at the time of her loss, it is impossible 
        to prove that the Japanese were involved in any way in sinking Sydney. 
      
5.69    The Committee found that there is no evidence 
        to support the involvement of a third participant in the engagement, whether 
        it be a Japanese submarine, a German U-boat or an Italian submarine, as 
        suggested in some submissions. The possibility of a third party being 
        involved in the sinking appears to have had its genesis in the shock of 
        the loss and the inability of people to accept that Sydney could 
        be defeated in such a manner. It is unfortunate that the claims of third 
        party involvement still continue to circulate in the absence of any substantive 
        evidence. 
      
The Leichtes Schnellboot (Light Speed Boat)
      5.70    Several submissions examined the possible role 
        of the Leichtes Schnellboot (LS-3),97 Kormoran's 
        mine-laying speedboat which was 'specially constructed of light metal'98 
        and 'was 41 feet long, weighed 11 and a half tons ... and was capable 
        of at least 45 knots'.99 It was armed with two mines 
        able to be discharged vertically through tubes on the stern; plans for 
        these type of vessels to carry two to four torpedoes were made but not 
        implemented for this version (LS-4 on the raider Michel did carry 
        torpedoes).100 It is important to note that this vessel 
        was not a motor torpedo boat, as a number of submissions called it; it 
        was not equipped with torpedoes, but rather with mines.101 
      
5.71    A number of theories were put forward about the 
        LS-3's possible involvement in the events of November 1941: 
      
        - LS-3 was laying mines in Sydney's path, two of which exploded, 
          thereby explaining the inconsistency in accounts seen by some on how 
          many torpedoes struck Sydney;102 
        
 - LS-3 was used to tow some of Kormoran's lifeboats after the 
          ship was scuttled (according to Mr Eagles until the morning of 22 November 
          when the LS-3 was itself scuttled), thereby explaining the speed with 
          which survivors apparently reached the Western Australian coast.103 
          It is also claimed that the towing would explain why some of the Germans 
          were reported as being 'clean-shaven' and in good condition when rescued;104 
          and 
        
 - the LS-3 was used to trail Sydney survivors in the water, allowing 
          the Germans to dispose of those who remained from Sydney's crew.105 
      
 
      5.72    Mr Eagles is convinced that the role of LS-3 has 
        been insufficiently examined to date, and believes that there exist many 
        compelling reasons why Captain Detmers may have used LS-3.106 
        Mr Eagles told the Committee that: 
      
        Detmers was a torpedo boat captain. He was a torpedo specialist, although 
        the motor torpedo boat was not armed with torpedoes. I believe that his 
        two assets, the things that he knew most about - the motor torpedo boat 
        and underwater torpedoes - are the two things that he would have used 
        ...107 
      
      5.73    Mr Eagles feels that during the interrogations 
        of Captain Detmers and his crew, insufficient questions were asked about 
        the significance of the LS-3.108 He believes that the 
        Leichtes Schnellboot was laying mines near Sydney. He suggested 
        that the inconsistency regarding the torpedo strikes on Sydney 
        may be explained by the theory that LS-3 was using magnetic mines to force 
        Sydney to turn, and that two mines exploded. Mr Eagles further 
        suggests that the reason for the battle taking place 300 miles off the 
        coast was that this was the limit of the LS-3's range, and that Captain 
        Detmers had calculated this on the grounds that LS-3 might be needed to 
        tow survivors to shore.109 Mr Eagles also maintains 
        that part of the reason for secrecy about the role of the speedboat was 
        'not to attract any importance to it. They [Kormoran] were the 
        first to use the LS boats'.110 This however, ignores 
        the fact that other raiders already operating were fitted with similar 
        boats.111 
      
5.74    In his submission to the inquiry, Mr Michael Montgomery 
        supported the second of Mr Eagles' claims, but with an apparently different 
        destination for the LS-3. He stated that: 
      
        Looking at a plot of the positions in which the Kormoran lifeboats 
        were found, one is immediately struck by the greater distance - at least 
        80km - covered by the two which made land at 17-Mile Well and Red Bluff. 
        My book includes a photograph of the pile of stores landed at the latter 
        far in excess of what one would expect to be contained in a boat already 
        crammed with 57 men ... while one of the survivors at the former indicated 
        that they had been beached there the previous day - ie the 23rd. This 
        necessarily implies that both boats had been assisted by a motorised vessel, 
        possibly the Kormoran's large motor boat which was then scuttled 
        ...112 
      
      5.75    Mr John McArthur agreed with Mr Eagles and Mr 
        Montgomery, supporting the theory that LS-3 played an important role in 
        the confrontation between Sydney and Kormoran. Of concern 
        to Mr McArthur was: 
      
        How a heavily laden boat with a lug sail could travel against a strong 
        SE wind and cover such a distance is truly remarkable UNLESS it was towed 
        while having only 40 men and then the occupants of the towing boat ditched 
        their craft and came on board knowing that rescue was only hours away. 
        An explanation [is that it was] the Leichtschnellboot from the Kormoran. 
        The same boat that Frame ignores completely, Winter says could not have 
        been used, and Detmers conveniently ignores altogether.113 
      
      5.76    This opinion is supported by LCDR McDonald RAN 
        (Retd) who claimed that 'the "shaven" group collected by Aquitania 
        could well have been the crew of the MTB'.114 
      
5.77    Contrary to these theories is evidence about the 
        use of the LS-3 from Barbara Winter who notes in her book that the propeller 
        of the boat was damaged in early 1941 and that it was not used after that, 
        and that furthermore the boat was unable to be raised when Kormoran 
        was being abandoned.115 
      
5.78    It is apparent, however, that the theories of 
        the use of the LS-3 are only speculative, with there being no agreement 
        on whether it towed all of the boats for a period, whether it towed two 
        boats to land (according to Michael Montgomery) or whether it towed the 
        boat that was eventually picked up by Aquitania. The Committee 
        felt that, without any evidence, it was impossible to determine if the 
        LS-3 played any role either during or after the battle. 
      
5.79    The Committee also rejects the claims that the 
        LS-3 was used to shadow survivors of the engagement, and kill them as 
        they floated in the water. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest 
        that this occurred, and the continued claims of such behaviour, as with 
        so many unfounded claims about the whole Sydney-Kormoran 
        engagement, are both malicious and distressing to family members of those 
        lost on Sydney. 
      
 1 .    McDonald, G, Transcript, p. 295. 
        
        2 .    According to Richard Summerrell, ' 
        "Q" messages (or more correctly QQQQ messages) were distress signals used 
        by merchant vessels to indicate that they were being attacked by a disguised 
        merchant raider' (Summerrell, op. cit., p. 29). 
        3 .    Olson, Transcript, p. 210. 
        4 .    ibid., pp. 208-9. GMT  Greenwich 
        Mean Time. 
        5 .    Winter, op. cit., p. 134. 
         6 .    ibid. Italics in original. See also 
        Olson, Submission, p. 4204. 
        7 .    HMAS Sydney Foundation Trust, 
        Transcript, p. 165. 
         8 .    Linke, in Kennedy, Submission, p. 
        3073. 
         9 .    Summerrell, op. cit., p. 29. 
        10 .    ibid. 
        11 .    ibid., p. 38; and Laffer, Statutory 
        Declaration, in End Secrecy on Sydney, Submission, p . 2185. 
        
        12 .    Anderson, Submission, p. 126. 
        13 .    Even the date on which the search 
        was sent out is unclear, and evidence has been received by the Committee 
        which suggests that the official search was not sent out on 24 November, 
        as officially reported, but on 23 November. This is discussed in more 
        detail in Chapter 6. 
        14 .    Gill, op. cit., p. 453. 
        15 .    Department of Defence, Transcript, 
        p. 42. 
         16 .    Barbara Winter writes 'As far as 
        wireless reception in Perth and Fremantle is concerned, the area west 
        of Carnarvon is a notorious "dead spot", especially by day' (Winter, op. 
        cit., p.236). See also McDonald, E, Submission, p. 2613. 
         17 .    Eagles, Transcript, pp. 561-562. 
        
         18 .    Interview with Mason, in Kennedy, 
        Submission, p. 962. 
         19 .    Kennedy, Submission, p. 965. 
         20 .    Griffiths, in Kennedy, Submission, 
        p. 965. 
         21 .    Kennedy, Transcript, p. 453. 
         22 .    The Archives indicated that 'A 
        total of 10 signals were transmitted to the Sydney after her departure 
        from Fremantle. The last two signals [were] sent on 14 November ...' (Summerrell, 
        op. cit., p. 32). 
         23 .    Sheedy, Submission, p. 2. 
         24 .    ibid., p. 3. 
         25 .    McArthur, Submission, pp. 2252-2253. 
        Emphasis in original. 
         26 .    Kennedy, Submission, p. 2307. See 
        also Kennedy, Submission, p. 965. 
         27 .    Stevens, Submission, p. 3925. Emphasis 
        in original. 
         28 .    ibid., p. 3925. Emphasis in original. 
        
         29 .    Exhibit No. 20, 'No Survivors  
        The Mysterious Loss of HMAS Sydney'. Prospero Productions, Fremantle, 
        1993. 
         30 .    McDonald, E, Submission, p. 2613. 
        
         31 .    Wright, Submission, p. 1123. Emphasis 
        in original. 
         32 .    Stevens, Submission, p. 3927. 
         33 .    Saunders, Submission, p. 133. 
         34 .    ibid., p. 1977. 
         35 .    Cohn, Submission, pp. 3143-3144. 
        
         36 .    Exhibit No. 5, p. 93. 
         37 .    McDonald, E, Submission, p. 538. 
        
         38 .    ibid., pp. 534-536. 
         39 .    The Intrigue Master, p. 
        118, cited in Poniewierski, Submission, p. 298. 
         40 .    See also Templeton, Transcript, 
        p. 471. 
         41 .    Kennedy, Submission, p. 4449. 
         42 .    McDonald, G, Submission, p. 169. 
        
         43 .    Templeton, Transcript, p. 472. 
        
         44 .    Frame, op. cit., pp. 189-190. 
         45 .    DSD, Transcript, p. 47. 
         46 .    ibid. 
         47 .    ibid., pp. 49-50. 
         48 .    Summerrell, op. cit., p. 32. 
         49 .    Denholm, Submission, p. 1256. 
         50 .    See for example Heazlewoods Solicitors, 
        Submission, pp. 1346 and 1349. This submission contains a Statutory Delcaration 
        by Mr V C Gambling, in which he states an Italian POW said that Kormoran 
        opened fire and Sydney was crippled by a torpedo. However 'he didn't 
        say his ship fired the torpedo but I think it did and he was concealing 
        this from us' (emphasis added). 
         51 .    See for example Submissions, Nitschke, 
        p. 1339, Gould, p. 2279 and Sharkey, p. 2955. Evidence was received by 
        this Committee that 'No German submarine reached the Indian Ocean by [the 
        time Sydney was sunk], owing to problems of supply of fuel and 
        provisions' (Poniewierski, Submission, p. 2639). 
         52 .    Suggestions were also made that 
        a French submarine was involved in sinking Sydney. According to 
        Frame, Rear Admiral Crace, in his private diary of 26 November, commented 
        that 'Naval Board think there is a possibility that a Vichy submarine 
        escorting a Vichy ship has torpedoed [Sydney]' (Frame, op. cit., 
        p . 5). 
         53 .    The claim that Sydney survivors 
        were murdered in the water is discussed in Chapter 6. 
         54 .    Baker, Submission, p. 90. 
         55 .    Wilson, Submission, p. 3327. 
         56 .    Poniewierski, Submission, p. 3596. 
        
         57 .    ibid., p. 3596. See also Wilson, 
        Submission, p. 3327. 
         58 .    Western Australian Maritime Museum, 
        Submission, p. 4076. 
         59 .    Collins, Submission, pp. 131-132, 
        and Collins, Transcript, p. 354. 
         60 .    Collins, Transcript, p. 354. 
         61 .    ibid. 
         62 .    Eneberg, Transcript, p. 424. 
         63 .    ibid., pp. 428-431, and Eneberg, 
        Submission, pp. 2046-2047. 
         64 .    Winter, op. cit., p. 233. 
         65 .    ibid. 
         66 .    Rusbridger, J and Nave, E, Betrayal 
        at Pearl Harbor, Summit Books, New York, 1991, p . 134. 
         67 .    ibid. 
         68 .    ibid. 
         69 .    ibid. 
         70.    See for example Winter, op. cit., 
        p. 191. 
         71.    Loane, Submission, p. 2905. 
         72.    ibid., p. 200. 
         73.    Roper, Submission, p. 212. 
         74.    Department of Defence, Transcript, 
        p. 29. 
         75.    The resilience of the Japanese submarine 
        theory is remarkable. Most recently, in a paper to The Enigma Symposium 
        1998, Hugh Skillen put forward this theory, based largely on the 'Kitsche 
        diary' that Michael Montgomery also used in his book (Skillen, H, 'A Personal 
        Rapport with German raider Kormoran', in Enigma Symposium 1998 
        papers, Print in Black, Bath, 1998, pp. 132-138). It should be noted that 
        Barbara Winter and Tom Frame have both rejected the diary as genuine, 
        with Frame stating that 'the alleged diary was merely a German translation 
        of an English magazine article written by the journalist Robert Close' 
        (Frame, op cit., p. 136; see also Winter, op cit., pp. 226, 245-246). 
        Skillen goes on to suggest that submarine I-8 was responsible for the 
        sinking of Sydney, largely on the reputation of its commander as 
        a 'war crime specialist' (Skillen, p. 137). No details of its prior movements 
        leading up to November 1941 are given by Skillen. Winter places submarine 
        I-8 patrolling 'south of Oahu before and during the attack on Pearl harbour' 
        (Poniewierski, Submission, p. 320). 
         76.    End Secrecy on Sydney Group, 
        Transcript, p. 275. 
         77.    Doohan, Transcript, p. 284. 
         78.    Winter stated that 'it should be 
        noted that there was no such thing as an "I-Class" submarine, as the submarines 
        with the "I" prefix were of different classes, as is indicated in good 
        reference books on submarines. Japanese submarines had the prefixes "I", 
        "RO" and "HA", on the pattern of an ancient poem that began "I-ro ha ni-ho-he-to" 
        ' (Poniewierski, Submission, p. 319). 
         79.    Gascoyne Historical Society, Submission, 
        p. 1280. 
         80.    Exhibit No 6: Sensuikan I-124 
         A History of the Imperial Japanese Navy Fleet Submarine Sunk in Northern 
        Territory Waters. 
         81.    ibid., p. 71. 
         82.    ibid., p. 72. 
         83.    ibid. 
         84.    ibid., p. 71. 
         85.    ibid., p. 73. 
         86.    Lewis, Submission, p. 135. 
         87.    Collins, Transcript, p. 350. 
         88.    Poniewierski, Submission, p. 319. 
        
         89.    Wittwer, Submission, pp. 3486-3487. 
        
        90.    Eneberg, Transcript, p. 421. 
        91.    See Wittwer, Submission, p. 3487. 
        
         92.    ibid., p. 3488. 
         93.    ASIO, Submission, p. 1771. 
         94.    Exhibit No. 43, p. 2. 
         95.    See for example, Eneberg, Submission, 
        p. 2049. 
         96.    Mr David Kennedy told the Committee 
        that Pastor Wittwer confided to him that '... he could have killed the 
        Japanese who killed his cousin or uncle, and how he was having to struggle 
        against these feelings'. Mr Kennedy felt that Pastor Wittwer 'had a serious 
        personal problem to come to terms with over the loss of his relative and 
        the Japanese' (Kennedy, Transcript, p. 459). 
         97.    Leichtes Schnellboot 3 was the updated 
        model of the LS-1 and LS-2. See Eagles, Submission p. 2365 and p. 
        3618. 
         98.    Winter, op. cit., p. 26. 
         99.    Eagles, Submission, p. 2365. 
         100.    Conways Maritime Press, quoted 
        in Eagles, Submission, p. 3618. Mr John Doohan, of the End Secrecy on 
        Sydney Group has incorrectly stated that LS-2 and LS-3 were 'exactly 
        the same' (Transcript, p. 254). This ignores the different engines used 
        in LS-1 and LS-2, compared with LS-3, and the different fitout for laying 
        of mines. 
         101.    For example, Mr James Eagles refers 
        to the vessel at an MTB (motor torpedo boat), although in his submission 
        he acknowledges that the LS-3 did not carry torpedoes (Eagles, Submission, 
        p. 2394). 
         102.    ibid., p. 2368. 
         103.    ibid., p. 2394. 
         104.    McDonald, E, Submission, p. 553. 
        
         105.    McDonald, E, Transcript, p. 234. 
        McDonald also raises questions about the use of the motor torpedo boat 
        after the battle in a submission (McDonald, E, Submission, pp. 3173-3174). 
        
         106.    Eagles, Submission, p. 2368. 
         107.    Eagles, Transcript, p. 565. Barbara 
        Poniewierski states in a submission that the LS-Boot on Kormoran 
        was equipped to lay mines (not torpedoes), and therefore that Sydney 
        cannot have been attacked by 'Kormoran's torpedo boat' (Poniewierski, 
        Submission, p. 316). 
         108.    Eagles, Transcript, p. 568. 
         109.    Eagles, Submission, p. 2368. 
         110.    ibid., p. 2383. 
         111.    ibid., p. 3618. 
         112.    Montgomery, Submission, p. 638. 
        
         113.    McArthur, Submission, p. 2259. 
        In fact, Frame mentions the LS-3 on p. 47 of his book; and Detmers refers 
        to it on a number of occasions in his book: pp. 20, 30, 38. 
         114.    McDonald, E, Submission, p. 3174. 
        
        115.    Winter, op cit., pp. 58, 142. 
      
 
        
        
         
      
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