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Submission 61.1
      GRIFFITH UNIVERSITY
      FACULTY OF EDUCATION
      School of Vocational Technology and Arts Education
      Please Contact Prof John Stevenson
      Telephone (07) 38757111 Fax (07) 3875 6868
      REPLY T0 - Mt Gravatt Campus Griffith University Queensland 4122 Australia
      26 March 1998
      At the recent public hearings in Brisbane, Dr Neilson invited me to provide 
        any additional material that l might be able to locate to substantiate 
        further two of the statements in the Griffith University submission: the 
        low status of vocational education and its impact on student demand and 
        dissatisfaction of industry with the nature of knowledge that young 
        people bring to the workplace. I hope the following will be helpful.
      The need to overcome the low status of vocational education in Australia 
        is suggested by the reluctance to "count" vocational studies in university 
        entry scores, the reluctance of young people to move outside of the core 
        subjects that confer entry to university studies, the tendency to use 
        post-school TAFE courses as an alternative route to university study rather 
        than courses in their own right (and the subsequent government moves to 
        attempt to reduce this), the tendency of learners to view TAFE studies 
        as "merely" a way to add a practical component to a first degree, and 
        so on. While there have been moves to press schools into broadening their 
        curricula to include vocational studies, this relative status appears 
        to have persisted and is evidenced in the case of Queensland on pages 
        26-29 of the report Factors affecting the training market in Queensland 
        (Wiltshire, 1997).
      Some of the work that has been published since the current inquiry began 
        (eg Australia's Youth: Reality and Risk) (Dusseldorp Skills Forum 
        et al, 1998) also seems to substantiate that there are problems with the 
        status of vocational education and the demand of young people for it. 
        For instance in the chapter of that report by Ball and Robinson, it is 
        clear that, "over the period 1990 to 1996, participation rates in vocational 
        education for 15-19 year olds "have remained largely unchanged at around 
        20 per cent" (Table 1, p. 2), with "a decline in absolute numbers" (which 
        they attribute to a decline in population in thIs age group). Another 
        matter of concern that arises in that particular chapter is that there 
        appears to be also a change in the nature of studies taken with a move 
        towards short courses and multiple courses. From their Table 4 (p. 4), 
        it is also of concern that the kinds of changes include increases in enrolment 
        in courses leading to operative occupations, and to only parts of occupations 
        ("part exempt"), with a decrease in recognised trade enrolments. Together, 
        these two trends threaten the relevance of TAFE provision to the needs 
        for a skilled, adaptable and innovative workforce.
      At the same time, the increase in para-professional higher technician 
        is subject to a variety of interpretations, one of which has been of concern 
        to TAPE itself, viz that these enrolments are being used to gain entry 
        to higher education rather than the target occupation.
      From the chapter of the above report by Ainley, "of the various vocational 
        education and training courses provided in New South Wales in 1996, the 
        largest number of enrolments was in the Joint Secondary Schools TAFE program". 
        As noted above such enrolments, while now often stated on school certificates, 
        are usually not given the status of counting for university entrance. 
        It is also indicative of the status of vocational education, in the eyes 
        of young people, that the largest enrolment is taken from the refuge of 
        school. Some of these matters are also noted on pages 8 and 9 of the executive 
        summary of the overall report where it is also concluded that there has, 
        over the same period, been an increase overall in the numbers of 17-19 
        year olds enrolled at a university and in the proportion of "Year 12 leavers 
        who proceeded directly to university". It is worth noting also that this 
        non-attractiveness of vocational education to young people seems to persist 
        despite the increasing fees to enter universities and the absence of HECS 
        for TAFE.
      Similarly, in the UK (see Young, 1997) and the USA (Grubb, 1995a, 1995b; 
        Warren Little & Threatt, 1994; William T. Grant Foundation Commission 
        on Work, Family and Citizenship, 1991; William T. Grant Foundation Commission 
        on Youth and America's Future, 1988), vocational education has a low status, 
        often associated by learners and their parents with those who are perceived 
        as being able to do nothing else. That is, the erroneous perception is 
        that those who are able continue their- secondary education and go on 
        to university, while vocations and vocational education are for those 
        who "drop out" and / or go to the "tech". The low status appears often 
        to be related to the associated perception that vocations are to do with 
        practical things, involving manual skills and are therefore (it is assumed) 
        less demanding than "more intellectual" pursuits. Strangely, such low 
        status vocations are seen as different from other more prestigious vocations 
        also involving practical work, such as medicine, dentistry, pharmacy and 
        engineering (the so-called professions), that are accessed from a university 
        education. For these latter vocations, it appears to be assumed that more 
        is required in the way of theoretical knowledge, judgement and independent 
        thought and action; despite the extent to which the work is actually practical 
        and routine.
      Significantly, even in countries where it is reputed that vocational 
        education enjoys a higher status, where "academic" and "vocational" education 
        are said to be of equivalent status, and where "vocational" education 
        can be pursued at levels regarded as equivalent to university qualifications 
        (e.g. Germany), the divisions between the two so-called kinds of education 
        are so pronounced that:
      (a) it appears that the theoretical instruction provided in the schools 
        (say, as part of the German dual apprenticeship scheme) is taught in academic 
        ways that seems to make little contact with the practical activities of 
        work, and
        (b) it appears to be difficult to move between "vocational" and "academic" 
          education.
      
Elsewhere, I (Stevenson, 1993) refer to these rival constructions, which 
        exist as polarised and impermeable Discourses in both general and vocational 
        education as follows:
      	"the construction of general education in schools and universities 
        is based on a long history of debates about the relationships among views 
        on the nature of knowledge and the foundations of education, and views 
        about the nature of curricula appropriate for the general development 
        of individuals for a wide range of life pursuits. An important aspect 
        of the persistence of the construction of general education has been the 
        discourse which has evolved to describe its policies, goals and practices: 
        words and phrases like general (vs specific); academic (vs skills based); 
        conceptual (vs practical); thinking (vs doing); disciplines (vs problems); 
        learning processes (vs products); articulated (vs tacit) knowledge; education 
        (vs training); preparation for life (vs work); and so on. Thus, in the 
        case of the institution of general education, there has, over a long period 
        of time, been little space for disagreement - no legitimate discourse 
        in which alternative views about the role of general education could be 
        advanced. Thus, general education has been like an institution with its 
        own special language, and this institution has been supported by a physical 
        infrastructure - government departments and Boards concerned with "protecting" 
        the basic ingredients in school curricula, assessment procedures and the 
        reporting of results, and their relationships with subsequent education, 
        especially in universities.
      Consider next the contemporary construction of vocational education. 
        Recent changes in vocational education, in Western English-speaking nations, 
        have been directed at pressing educators into conceiving education more 
        from industrial, business, management and economic perspectives - manifested 
        most prominently in the form of the pervasive physical and legislative 
        infrastructure of the Competency-Based Training (CBT) movement.
      And this institution has been accompanied by its own special language 
        (Stevenson, 1991): training (vs growth, development); competence (vs ability, 
        excellence, knowledge); economic growth (vs quality of life); productivity 
        (vs conservation); responding to contingencies and breakdowns in routine 
        (vs adaptability); training (vs teaching or learning); task skills and 
        task management skills (vs expertise); teamwork (vs interpersonal interactions); 
        outcomes (vs processes); flexibility (vs coherence); etc. (See The National 
        Training Board, 1990, 1991, 1992)."
      Such dualisms are stark for a young person choosing between the modularised, 
        disaggregated competency- based world of VET, and the ways in which knowledge 
        is valued and acquired in the arts, sciences and medicine
      As suggested at the public hearings, employer and other groups continue 
        to express dissatisfaction with the knowledge that young people bring 
        to work. The nation-wide current emphases on improving literacy and information 
        technology capacities of young people are persistent examples of this. 
        The report by Coopers and Lybrand (1994) that TAFE provision could offer 
        small businesses little is another example. The whole National Training 
        Reform agenda since 1989 is full of government reports arguing for the 
        need for change. This agenda, argued in the name of `industry-driven' 
        education, is a more general example of an attempt to convince industry 
        that they are now responsible for getting what they want (albeit, a most 
        dangerous location for singular responsibility for a social good). That 
        little seems to have changed is supported by more recent evidence of the 
        need to redress ongoing perceptions of industry and/or to improve educational 
        provision to overcome inadequacies, for example on pages 15-20 of Factors 
        affecting the training market in Queens land (Wiltshire, 1997). The 
        extent of up-take in industry of vocational courses is another indicator 
        of the level of satisfaction; and this and related matters receive attention 
        in various journals such as the Australian and New Zealand Journal 
        of Vocational Education Research (eg See Kilpatrick, 1997; Wooden, 
        1996). (Other articles in this journal and the Australian Vocational 
        Education Review provide many analyses of the inadequacies of the 
        current state of vocational education and training in Australia).
      For international comparisons, several articles in the British journal 
        Vocational Education and Training also canvass the current state 
        of vocational education and training (eg see Cockrill & Scott, 1997; 
        Matlay, 1997). For an up-to-date analysis of the current situation in 
        the UK, I refer you to Hodgson & Spours, 1997, and the various Dearing 
        reviews of the educational sectors of the UK. One of the major problems 
        that continues to be of concern in the UK is the apparent preference of 
        employers for A-levels rather than NVQs or GNVQs, and for older qualifications 
        rather than the VQ kind. There is even now developing some UK evidence 
        that completion of an entire bachelor degree at a university might have 
        a greater chance of leading to employment than completing the same degree 
        after gaining credit for vocational studies outside the university system.
      l hope this material assists you in your inquiry. Please let me know 
        if I can assist further.
      John Stevenson
      Professor of Post-Compulsory Education and Training
      Head of School of Vocational, Technology and Arts Education
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