The following discussion highlights some of the major issues canvassed
during the additional estimates hearings.
Department of the Senate
The committee discussed changes in staffing in the Department of the
Senate, including the movement of staff within the committee office and the
impact this may have on workforce planning. The Clerk noted the recent
departure of a number of long-term staff:
Over the past small number of years we have had the
retirements of a number of staff with a significant number of years service so
it seems like there are a lot of new staff. But in fact, at the moment, about
12 per cent of our employees have over 20 years service. Another quarter of
employees have over 10 years service. But a third of the department has less
than two years service, so we are going through a period of renewal. It is a
generational thing because we have had significant departures and significant
retirements over the past few years and we have also been doing quite a lot of
recruitment, particularly in the committee office.
The role of the Senate Appropriations and Staffing Committee and the
separation of the executive and the legislature in respect to resourcing of the
Parliament were canvassed by the committee. The Clerk explained that
negotiation occurs between the Appropriations and Staffing Committee and the Government
regarding disputed bids, and noted that a level of independence of the Parliament
from the executive occurred within the constraints of the Constitution. The
But I think that the main barrier to complete independence of
the parliament in terms of funding models is the constitution, which requires
that all expenditure be recommended by a message from the Governor-General—and,
of course, the Governor-General is advised by the executive. Within that
constitutional constraint there are some models for greater parliamentary
independence. I would not say that what we have is perfect, but it is a useful
One of the problems is that the department of finance and
executive agencies tend to see the parliament as a portfolio just like an
executive portfolio. So, rather than recognising the independence of the house
to determine their own business and to some extent their own budget, they lump
everybody together and say 'You go and work it out', which is a
constitutionally difficult situation because it invites the Speaker of the
House to get involved in Senate business and the President of the Senate to get
involved in decisions about House business, which is entirely inappropriate.
This is something we keep pointing out to officials.
Other issues raised by the committee related to risk assessments for
stationary items and committee room booking notifications.
The committee also discussed the impact of overseas parliamentary delegations
on departmental resources and funding. The Clerk noted that while some funding
comes from the department, 'over the past few years we have also been bidding
for AusAID funding and have been quite successful in getting some AusAID
Department of Parliamentary Services
The committee questioned the Department of Parliamentary Services (DPS)
in relation to the new Australian Parliament House (APH) website, in particular
delays and costs associated with the launch of the new site. The committee was
informed that the launch of the new website was delayed by 12 months which
resulted in an additional cost of $614,000.
The President stated that security breaches had contributed to the delay:
Part of the delay was caused by a major breach of the
security system externally from this place. That was something addressed not
only in respect of that website but in terms of the operation of all IT in this
place. That occurred in December 2010. That put additional costs on IT right
throughout this place...
The committee notes that the new APH website was launched on Friday,
17 February 2012.
Following on from previous estimates, the committee questioned DPS on
the move from the previous MaxPro security system which was isolated from the
Parliamentary Computer Network (PCN) to the new BAE security system which was
connected to the PCN. The committee was informed that the cost for the total
project was approximately $7 million and that, following a review of IT systems,
the BAE system will need to be isolated from the PCN.
Following the retirement of former Secretary, Mr Alan Thompson, the committee
questioned DPS on the recruitment process for the new secretary. The committee
heard that an executive search agency had been engaged to identify potential
suitable candidates. The President noted that 'this is a role that has proven
difficult to attract a strong field of applicants from standard vacancy
advertising and this extra step might serve to produce a larger and stronger
The committee heard that advice was being provided by the Parliamentary Service
Commissioner and that no DPS employees were involved in advising the Presiding Officers
on the selection process for the new secretary.
The committee maintained its interest in the establishment of the
Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) including the location and accommodation of
staff within Parliament House. The President commented in his opening statement
that legislation to establish the PBO had received royal assent on 4 December
2011 and advice had been sought regarding an appropriate salary for the
Parliamentary Budget Officer.
The President tabled a timeline indicating the PBO should be fully established
in August 2012.
As at previous estimates, the committee questioned DPS regarding
allegations of bullying within the department. In particular, the committee
discussed allegations made in an article by Mr Phillip Dorling on 12 December
2011 in the Age, titled 'Disorder in the House: bureaucracy under fire',
that CCTV footage was being used to track whistleblowers in the committee's
current inquiry into the performance of DPS.
Ms Bronwyn Graham, Assistant Secretary, Building Services Branch, stated
that inquiries had indicated no request for footage had been made:
...I made some inquiries with the staff who may have received
such a request. When I was told that no-one received such requests, I
considered the matter to not require any further action. Could I also state
that the footage in corridors is not recorded during the day and so it would be
impossible to go back and have a look at that footage anyhow.
The committee continued its discussion at previous estimates regarding
the sale of billiard tables by DPS and heard that additional costs associated
with sale were finalised at $92,183.48.
The committee also heard evidence that DPS participated in a Comcare bullying
prevention audit in September 2011 and is developing an action plan to
implement the recommendations from the report.
The committee questioned DPS about the protest that occurred on
27 January 2012 involving the lighting of a fire on the parliamentary
forecourt. The President explained that standard procedure for bringing a fire
onto the parliamentary forecourt was that it is 'only permitted with the
approval of the Presiding Officers'. The committee heard that in this instance,
the Presiding Officers were not present and authority was delegated to the
Usher of the Black Rod and Sergeant-at-Arms:
As I said, I was not there on the day. That is the difficulty
I have. I was not confronted with the circumstances. There is a delegated
authority to both the Black Rod and the Sergeant at Arms in these matters as
part of the security management board.
The Usher of the Black Rod subsequently provided the committee with a
written explanation of the events of that day including his decision to allow a
ceremonial fire to be brought onto the parliamentary forecourt, and the presentation
of a petition by members of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy.
Other issues canvassed by the committee included: policy responsibility
for handheld devices for senators and members; the use and provision of iPads
for senators and members; WiFi access in electorate offices; Key Performance
Indicators for 2020 client services; impact of the efficiency dividend; and
blocking of access by senators and members to websites using the .info domain.
The committee noted the resignation of Ms Roxanne Missingham and thanked
her for her work during her tenure as Parliamentary Librarian and during her
appearances before the committee.
Prime Minister and Cabinet Portfolio
Independent National Security Monitor
The Independent National Security Legislation Monitor made its first
appearance at a Senate estimates hearing and answered questions relating to the
development of its work plan. The committee also discussed the publication of
classified material. Mr Brett Walker SC, Independent National Security Monitor,
stated that 'classified material will not be published by me or the Prime
Minister, I am sure, and the law requires so', however some material may be
made public following the redaction of classified information.
Department of the Prime Minister
The committee commenced its questioning of the Department of the Prime
Minister and Cabinet (PM&C) with extensive questioning around the events
that occurred at The Lobby Restaurant on Australia Day. Questioning focused on:
the organisation of the function, the timeline of events that occurred on that
day; and discrepancies between the versions of events. The committee discussed
the events that occurred in the days following the incident, including the
investigation conducted by the Prime Minister's Office.
The written agreement between the Prime Minister and Mr Andrew Wilkie MP
was discussed at length by the committee, with particular focus given to the
agreement to implement mandatory pre-commitment technology on all poker
machines by 2014. The committee questioned PM&C on whether advice had been
provided to the Prime Minister indicating that the 2014 deadline was
unattainable prior to her meeting with Mr Wilkie on 15 January 2012. Minister
Evans noted that while the agreement was between the Prime Minister and Mr
Wilkie MP, the Department of Families, Housing, Community Services and
Indigenous Affairs had the 'main lead policy' and would be best placed to
provide information on the issue.
The matter was pursued with questioning on whether draft papers were prepared
for cabinet in relation to the broader agreement between the Prime Minister and
Mr Wilkie MP. Ms Renee Leon, Deputy Secretary, Governance responded that, as a
general rule, PM&C does not reveal what matters are taken before Cabinet:
We do not reveal what matters are taken before cabinet, not
only the details of them but whether particular matters have been taken to
cabinet for consideration...We do not reveal the preparation of documents for
cabinet consideration. It is consistent with the longstanding practices
surrounding cabinet confidentiality.
The committee also questioned PM&C on the proposed trial of
pre-commitment technology on poker machines for the ACT, specifically focusing
on any advice that was provided to the Prime Minister on the potential conflict
of interest that may arise with Labor Clubs in the ACT receiving funding as
part of the trial. The department agreed to take questions on notice and
respond to the committee.
The committee discussed the calculation and assignment of staff to
members of the opposition. While the department advised that the question would
be more appropriately asked of the Department of Finance and Deregulation,
Senator Faulkner explained that while the final decision ultimately rests with
the Prime Minister:
...the calculation is the number of government ministerial
staff multiplied by 0.21, which was the figure that existed at the time when
the Keating government lost office in 1996. Mr Howard, during the period of his
prime ministership, adopted the same principle, and it has also applied since
the change of government in 2007.
Continued interest was shown in the work of COAG, with the committee
questioning PM&C on the establishment of the COAG Select Council on Disability
Reform and the national disability insurance scheme. The committee also
discussed ministers' overseas travel, including the approval process and
whether any requests had been refused.
The department provided the committee with an update on the progress towards
the establishment of the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission (ACNC),
The exposure draft of the ACNC legislation and the discussion
paper on governance arrangements was released on 9 December. That only closed
on 27 January 2012, so the comments that were received will still be in the
process of being incorporated.
Other issues canvassed by the committee included: the proposed change of
name of Parkes Place in the parliamentary triangle to Queen Elizabeth Terrace;
decisions relating to the seating arrangements in the cabinet room; and the appointment
and role of Mr Ken Henry as special advisor to the Prime Minister. The committee
continued its questioning on the progress of the State Coach to be provided to
Her Majesty the Queen and indicated it will pursue the matter further at budget
estimates in May this year.
National Mental Health Commission
The National Mental Health Commission made its first appearance before
the committee and was questioned on the selection process for commissioners.
The committee also discussed possible conflicts of interest for commissioners
and how potential conflicts of interest are dealt with in relation to the work
of the commission. Ms Rebecca Cross responded that 'as a standard part of any
of these types of appointments there is a declaration by any of the people
being considered as to whether they have any conflicts of interest, and this is
taken into account in the approval process'.
Office of the Official Secretary to
In his opening statement, Mr Stephen Brady, Official Secretary to the
Governor-General, provided an explanation of the ongoing issue of access to
documents relating to the Australian Honours System, including the decision to
provide more information on the Governor-General's website and the formation of
a subcommittee to ensure equity and greater public engagement.
The committee questioned the Office of the Official Secretary regarding
the current matter before the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, including the
legal costs associated with the matter. The committee discussed the protocols
and communication in relation to the decision to award an Order of Merit to Mr
John Howard. Mr Brady responded that his office was not notified before the
decision to award the Order of Merit was made and that the matter was 'entirely
between the Queen and Mr Howard, and the communication of the award, I
understand, was direct.'
Australian National Audit Office
The Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) answered questions on the
current audit of the Australia Network tender. The ANAO stated that preliminary
findings were not available due to statutory due process requirements whereby a
complete draft is circulated to interested parties for a 28 day period for
comment. The ANAO advised that the report was due to be tabled in late March or
early April this year.
The committee questioned the ANAO on the use of new powers under the Auditor-General
Amendment Act 2011, which provides the ANAO with the power to audit private
contractors engaged by the Commonwealth, and state and territory agencies that
are responsible for delivering Commonwealth funded programs. The committee
heard that the ANAO was preparing for their annual planning process and was not
in a position to comment on whether the new powers would be used in the near
future. The committee also canvassed the impact of these powers on small
businesses. The Auditor-General stated:
We do have extensive powers. We are updating our guidance material
on how we would propose to use these powers...To my mind, it would need to be a
significant contractor and we would need, I think, a good reason to undertake
an audit of a contractor's performance.
The committee canvassed two reports with the ANAO: Report 24 2011–12, Administration
of Government Advertising Arrangements: March 2010 to August 2011 and
Report 26 2011–12, Capacity Development for Indigenous Service Delivery.
Australian Public Service
The Australian Public Service Commission (APSC) answered questions from
the committee on the progress of reform to the APS, including the impact of budget
cuts on the reforms. The committee was informed that following the budget cuts,
agencies with over 200 employees have agreed to fund the work of the APSC in
this area for five years.
For the first time, the committee questioned the Parliamentary Services
Commissioner, discussing the recruitment and appointment of the new secretary
for DPS and allegations of bullying and harassment within DPS.
The committee continued to discuss the level of absenteeism within the
APS and the general increase in unscheduled absence and sick leave since 2001.
The committee also showed continued interest in the employment and satisfaction
levels of employees with a disability within the APS.
Other issues canvassed by the committee included the occurrence and
reporting of bullying and harassment within the APS and the ability of the
Remuneration Tribunal to take submissions from the public.
Office of the Inspector-General of
Intelligence and Security
The committee questioned the Inspector-General of Intelligence and
Security on the security vetting report released in December 2011, paying
particular attention to the interviews conducted with three whistleblowers that
appeared on Lateline on 16 March 2011. The committee's questioning also
included discussion of the focus of the investigation; recommendations included
in the report; and other malpractice uncovered during the reporting process.
Finance and Deregulation Portfolio
The committee began its questioning of the Commonwealth Superannuation
Corporation (CSC) with discussion on the amalgamation of Australian Rewards Investment
Alliance and the Military Trustee Boards, focusing on staffing levels and the
various costs associated with the merger. Mr Peter Carrigy-Ryan, Chief
Executive Officer, informed the committee that approximately $1.1 million had
In relation to projected savings, the committee questioned CSC on
efficiency targets. Mr Carigy-Ryan informed the committee that savings would be
achieved through investment cost efficiency resulting from the merger. The committee
also heard that no efficiency targets had been set:
I would expect it would wait until a first year of operation
to be complete. It would also wait for the assets to be integrated into a
single investment trust, as they are being, then for investment to take place
and then to do some comparative analysis, when you have got some experience
Medibank Private Ltd
Continuing from previous estimates, the committee questioned Medibank
Private on the payment of special and ordinary dividends to the Government. The
committee continued its interest in the value of Medibank, staffing numbers and
levels of customer satisfaction.
The committee discussed the implementation of the My Health program,
which offers 24 hour health advice to Medibank members. Medibank informed the
committee that the program has been rolled out in Queensland, Western Australia
and the ACT and that discussions between the state governments and NHCCN were
ASC Pty Ltd
The committee questioned ASC Pty Ltd (ASC) regarding the current
negotiations between ASC and the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) relating
to the In-Service Support contract and potential sanctions included within the
contact. Mr Stephen Ludlam, Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer, took
a number of questions on notice noting that 'the sanctions are within the
commercial confidentiality that I have to observe due to our negotiations with
Continuing from previous estimates, the committee questioned ASC on the
revenue and operations of Deep Blue Tech Pty Ltd. ASC advised the committee
that the revenue from Deep Blue Tech was provided by ASC. ASC also commented on
the separation of Deep Blue Tech from involvement in the sustainment of the
Collins class submarines due to intellectual property constraints.
Other issues canvassed by the committee included: ASC's insurance policy
and premiums; the continued placement of the Collins class on the Projects of
Concern list; and the schedule for completion of the full-cycle docking of HMAS
Department of Finance and
The committee opened questioning of the Department of Finance and
Deregulation (Finance) on the progress toward the establishment of the
Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO). Finance informed the committee that work on
legislation had been completed and that a Memorandum of Understanding between
the PBO, Finance and Treasury would be created following the appointment of the
Parliamentary Budget Officer.
The committee showed continued interest in the Office of Best Practice
Regulation, questioning the Office on regulatory impact statements (RIS) in
relation to the Government's Future of Financial Advice legislation. The Office
noted that while RISs were created by Treasury in the lead up to the
Government's introduction of the legislation, the RIS's of six elements of the
reforms were not of an adequate standard, noting time constraints as a
Government campaign advertising was discussed with Finance following the
release of the ANAO report Administration of Government Advertising
Arrangements: March 2010 to August 2011. The committee questioned the
department on the Clean Energy Future advertising campaign and the
recommendations included in the ANAO report. Finance noted that they have
accepted recommendations and are working to 'provide more guidance to agencies
so they have a better handle on assessing whether it meets the requirements
around value for money'.
The committee also canvassed the results of a ThinkPlace review of procurement processes
for procurements under $80,000, which indicated that the department had
breached its own internal procurement guidelines. Finance noted that these were
not breaches of the Commonwealth Procurement Guidelines (CPGs):
What we had done was put a lot of extra rules in place
internally to try to make our own internal procurement best practice and all of
those went beyond what was required by the CPGs.
The committee canvassed requirements under section 44 of the Financial
Management and Accountability Act 1997 (FMA Act) regarding the
responsibilities of Chief Executive Officers (CEOs) and the use of Commonwealth
funds, specifically if any cases of noncompliance have been investigated by the
department. Finance noted that 'it is the responsibility under the FMA Act for
the CEO [of an agency] to investigate particular situations' of noncompliance
and undertook to provide the committee with information on the number of
investigations conducted by Finance into allegations of noncompliance.
Similar to previous estimates, Finance answered questions on the
balances and expenditure of the Building Australia Fund, the Education
Investment Fund and the Health and Hospitals Fund. In addition, the committee
continued discussion on NBN Co. from previous estimates, questioning Finance on
the number of meetings between the Minister and the NBN Co. Board. The
committee also asked questions concerning the NBN Co. corporate plan and
Other issues canvassed by the committee included: timeliness of
responses to Questions on Notice; the Skehill review into small agencies within
the Attorney-General's portfolio; the structural integrity of the budget and the
debt ceiling; the deregulation target of one-in-one-out; and the process for
small businesses to claim interest on late invoice payments.
The committee again questioned Finance on ministerial and
parliamentarians' staff numbers, including personal classifications of staff
for previous ministers who remain in parliament. The committee continued its
discussion of the provision of IT support and services for senators and
members, questioning Finance on the access of iPhones and iPads to the
Parliamentary Computer Network and the storage, applications and password costs
and settings on blackberry devices.
Finally the committee canvassed the printing budget for senators;
Finance's policy on the timeframe for payment of accounts relating to senators'
electorate offices; and parliamentary staff training opportunities and costs,
including First Aid training.
The committee continued to discuss the expected staff decrease for
ComSuper and was advised that the targeted reduction of 56 staff is expected to
be met within three to six months. Similar to previous estimates, the committee
canvassed the claims made by Community and Public Sector Union relating to
staff contributions made by ComSuper. Mr Richard Bridge, Chief Governance
Officer, informed the committee that under the new enterprise agreement,
ComSuper had 'agreed to pay 15.4% to all staff members regardless of which fund
they belong to'.
Future Fund Management Agency
The committee continued its discussion from previous estimates,
questioning the Future Fund on the current balance of the Fund, the investment
strategy and the sale and management of assets. The committee continued its
interest in the extent of Government oversight of the Fund and factors behind decisions
for international investments.
The committee also discussed investment by the Fund in companies with
links to nuclear weapons manufacturing and the current value of the Fund's
tobacco stocks. Following the release of documents by the Fund under Freedom of
Information, the committee questioned the Fund on the involvement of Mr Paul
Costello in the allocation of funds to Blackstone Alternative Asset Management.
Australian Electoral Commission
The committee began its questioning of the Australian Electoral
Commission (AEC) with extensive discussion relating to multiple voting in the
2007 federal election, particularly in relation to the seat of McEwen. The
committee questioned the AEC on prosecution action relating to multiple voting.
Mr Ed Killesteyn, Australian Electoral Commissioner, advised the committee:
Essentially our role is to refer maters to the Australian
Federal Police who then take a decision about whether they will proceed with an
investigation. Subject to that, any further prosecution action based on the
evidence that the AFP may collect is a matter for the DPP. Our role is
essentially a referral agency and beyond that it is out of our hands.
The committee was advised that the last time an individual was
prosecuted for multiple voting occurred sometime before the 2004 general
The committee returned to questions from previous estimates on the Fair
Work Australia investigation into the member for Dobell and the BDO Kendall
Other issues canvassed by the committee included the relationship
between Coastal Voice inc and the Australian Labor Party (ALP), donations from
Mr Graham Wood to the Australian Greens, options for parties, candidates and
donors to submit returns online and state and territory reporting obligations
in relation to disclosure periods.
Senator Helen Polley
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