Papers on Parliament No. 60
Aaron Martin "Political Engagement among the Young in Australia*"
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Young Australians are often claimed to be disengaged from
politics on a number of levels. But is this true, and to what extent? In
this paper I want to interrogate the accusation that young people are
disengaged from politics through the use of survey data looking, in particular,
at political participation. This work draws on a book I published last year
entitled Young People and Politics: Political Engagement in the Anglo–American
Democracies. In the
second section of the paper I want to consider more generally democracy in the
twenty-first century and outline some voter engagement projects I was involved
with over the course of the last election, namely Vote Compass and the
Citizens’ Agenda, and examine the potential of these tools to engage the young.
We live in a period when the lack of political engagement
among Australians, and others around the world, is commonly remarked upon.
Pippa Norris writes that ‘Many are alarmed that Western publics have become
disengaged from public affairs, detached from campaigns, and bored with
politics, producing, if not a crisis of democracy, then at least growing
problems of legitimacy for representative government’. This concern is particularly salient as it relates to young people.
But exactly what is the nature of that problem? Let me
concentrate for the first half of this paper on political participation.
I should mention that by political participation I mean not
only voting and joining a political party but what I would call ‘non-electoral’
forms of political participation as well, such as attending a demonstration and
signing a petition. One of the features of political participation today is an
expanding array of political activity beyond electoral forms of political
participation such as voting or joining a political party.
We need then to distinguish electoral forms of political
participation from non-electoral forms of political participation and ask
whether young people are turning their backs on voting to engage in other forms
of participation such as attending demonstrations or signing petitions.
In the literature there is often a debate between those who
argue that political participation is in decline and those who argue that political participation is evolving with non-electoral
forms of participation such as signing a petition or attending a demonstration
replacing electoral forms of participation.
I think it is useful to see the data I am presenting here in
light of those debates.
Electoral engagement, I argue in my book, constitutes the most
substantial form of political engagement for most citizens.
The first thing I will address is attitudes towards voting.
The Australian Election Study asked respondents the following question: Would
you have voted in the election if voting had not been compulsory? In 2010, 88
per cent of older people (aged 60 and over) said they would have voted but only
78 per cent of young people (aged 18–29) said they would have voted.
We also have data from the International Social Survey Program
(ISSP) which shows that this is accompanied by low levels of civic duty. In
2005 the ISSP asked ‘how important is it to always vote in elections?’
Respondents were asked to respond on a scale of one to seven, one being ‘not at
all important’ and seven being ‘very important’. In terms of those who
responded that voting is ‘very important’ older people are twice as likely to
say voting is very important (the respective figures being 84 and 42). So,
young people do not seem to see voting as a civic duty in the way older
generations do. We know that these attitudes have real effects in relation to
young people being much less likely to be enrolled to vote and much less likely
What about broader measures of political engagement such as
party identification? In terms of those who do not identify with any party in
2010, 24 per cent of young people did not identify with any party as compared
to just seven per cent of older people. This trend has been increasing over
So, I think it is clear that electoral politics is becoming
less attractive to the young.
Non-electoral political participation
Okay, so what about non-electoral participation? As I
mentioned earlier there is a debate about whether political participation is
evolving or declining. So here again we have data from the ISSP on
non-electoral participation. The data shows that the most common form of
activity is signing a petition and young people are more likely than older
people to have done this in the past year, 47 per cent to 35. The same applies
for boycotting products, which young people are 16 percentage points more
likely than older people to have done in the past year. Far fewer people have
attended a demonstration but again young people are three times as likely as
older people to have attended a demonstration in the past year. Young people
are also much more likely to have participated in political activities over the
internet (16 per cent to 6) and are much more likely to have visited a politician’s
or political organisation’s website (40 per cent to 13).
Now, that data does not prove that young people today are more
likely than young people 20 or 30 years ago to engage in these activities, but
other literature suggests that these findings reflect generational rather than
lifecycle effects. So, it seems that the way young people engage in politics is
changing over time and this will obviously have implications for electoral
commissions, parties and other organisations.
In short, it seems that electoral politics is becoming less
attractive to the young and non-electoral politics more attractive.
There are a number of implications for these findings. First
of all, electoral commissions will have to work hard just to maintain the
current rate of youth voting (electoral commissions are flying into a stronger
headwind than before, it seems, in terms of attitudes).
Secondly, parties can no longer rely on habitual party
supporters. Other research I have done shows voting patterns among younger
generations are much more volatile than before with young people being less
likely to support minor parties.
Because young people seem to be amenable to different types of
political participation, this creates opportunities for other organisations to
mobilise young people in a way not possible before. The internet seems more a
symptom than a cause of this.
We should also be aware of resource inequalities inherent in
this change in styles of participation. If the trends I have documented continue,
political participation will increasingly become the province of the resource
rich (those with more education and so on) who are more likely to participate
in non-electoral forms of political participation.
In summary, the political engagement/participation marketplace
is more crowded and competitive than it was when you had parties as the sole
conduits for political activity.
Democracy in the twenty-first century and voter
Having established the extent of young people’s political
participation I now want to turn to broader conceptions of democracy and
outline some voter engagement tools I have been involved with as they relate to
Democracy in the twenty-first century
There are many different conceptions of what democracy entails
in the twenty-first century. There has been a voluminous literature devoted to
this topic. The debate feeds into an ongoing argument about what exactly the
people’s role should be in politics:
Historically, there has been a widespread suspicion of
placing day-to-day political decisions in the hands of ordinary citizens, a
suspicion that started with Plato and Aristotle and continued with democratic
theorists such as John Stuart Mill.
But there exists a sharp tension between these suspicions and
the views of those advocating a more participatory form of democracy. Put
simply, these views can be divided between the ‘bringing the people in’ and the
‘leaving the people out’ positions.
Supporters of participatory democracy see the solution to the
democratic malaise as making politics more participatory—bridging the gap
between politics and the people, the rulers and the ruled. This line of
that democracy cannot be fully realised until citizens express
their shared interests as members of a community … participation in the
democratic process is seen as vital to the political education of citizens if
they are to develop this civic orientation.
There is a long line of thinking in this area dating back, in
modern political theory, to Rousseau and Mill. Jean-Jacques Rousseau ‘saw
individuals as ideally involved in the direct creation of the laws by which
their lives are regulated, and he affirmed the notion of an active, involved
Stuart Mill argued that ‘by actively participating in the civic life, rather
than allowing others to make decisions in their own interest, people learn and
grow. In this view, involving the public can make better citizens, better
politics, and better governance’.
Modern variants of this argument include that of Benjamin
Barber who views modern democracy as ‘weak democracy’ whereby people have
little say in government affairs. This is in contrast to the ‘strong democracy’
that he endorsed, a democracy that ‘reflects the careful and prudent judgment
of citizens who participate in deliberative, self-governing communities …’
These views have evolved into a distinct theory of
participatory democracy. Carol Pateman, one of the most important thinkers in
developing the notion of participatory democracy, argues that ‘participatory
democracy fosters human development, enhances a sense of political efficacy,
reduces a sense of estrangement from power centres, nurtures a concern for
collective problems and contributes to the formation of an active and
knowledgeable citizenry capable of taking a more active interest in government
The views of Pateman and C. B. Macpherson hold that if people know that meaningful channels exist for them to get actively
involved then a greater number will. This is not to discount the significant
obstacles that may stand in the way of participation. Further, Pateman doubted
whether many citizens would be very interested in issues outside of their
community or electorate and that the role of the citizen in national politics
would always be highly restricted. Theories such as these allow us however to
see richer channels for participation than elitists allow. And, support for
more participatory democracy has some empirical support and is in line with the
views expressed by the Power Report in the United Kingdom. Further, many have argued that from the increase in activism in other
non-conventional forms of politics (as discussed in the previous section) we
can infer an eagerness to get more involved in conventional politics, if it was
seen to be more attractive—a question I will return to.
Challenges to participatory democracy have evolved from
earlier arguments concerning representative democracy. By the eighteenth
century, faced with an increasingly expanded citizenry, representative
democracy was seen as a more practical model. ‘By ingrafting representation
upon democracy’, wrote Thomas Paine, a system of government is created that is
capable of embracing ‘all the various interests and every extent of territory
and population’. John
Stuart Mill, an enthusiastic advocate of participatory democracy, was very much
aware of its shortcomings in a large, modern society and also supported
representative democracy. However, the debate amongst advocates of
representative democracy has become more fractured. In trying to find a
suitable form of government for such a large polis as we have today
became an issue of contention. Debate has continued up until the present day
about the best way to solve this problem.
Trying to find a model that would fit with modern, complex
society Max Weber and Joseph Schumpeter ‘shared a conception of political life
in which there is little scope for democratic participation and individual or
collective development’. Schumpeter believed the ‘essential role of citizens should be relatively
limited, confined principally to the periodic election of parliamentary
representatives, along with the continuous scrutiny of government actions’—that
would provide a check against the emergence of tyranny. This was in line with concerns expressed at the time that ‘excessive’
participation might produce the mobilisation of the demos with highly dangerous
consequences. According to this formulation of politics, the notion of ‘rule by the people’
comes into question. Schumpeter certainly did not shy away from this. He wrote:
‘democracy does not mean and cannot mean that the people actually rule in any
obvious sense of the terms “people” and “rule”. Democracy means only that the
people have the opportunity of accepting or refusing’ the politicians that rule
them. ‘Democracy is the rule of the politician’, he wrote.
Elitists argue that the consequences of political
participation by the public are either neutral or negative. According to this
view political apathy or disinterest lies not so much with politicians and
parties as with ‘the widespread failure of ordinary citizens to understand the
fundamental nature of politics and citizenship’.
Elitists are deeply sceptical of the public’s capacity to be
involved in decision-making. They argue that the level of knowledge of the
average citizen is dangerously low—a suspicion dating back to early survey
research in the 1920s and 1930s which revealed that the majority of citizens
were ‘not well informed, not deeply involved, not particularly active; and the
process by which they come to their voting decision is anything but a process
of rational calculation’. In
support of these arguments they also cite the separate works of Philip Converse
and George Bishop. In his famous experiment Converse found that people, afraid
of responding ‘I don’t know’, often answer survey questions referring to
non-salient political issues almost randomly—a ‘non-decision’ as he termed it. Building on this work is Bishop’s experiment that found that people voiced
opinions on a government statute that never existed as did readers of the Washington
Post when the paper celebrated the ‘20th anniversary’ of this Act. This research should highlight the extent to which voters can hold
contradictory and illogical positions and have little capacity for
decision-making, argue elitists. Lack of interest in politics therefore may not
be a problem but rather seen as favourable.
Further, some find fault with the finding that people have any
desire to get more involved in politics. John R. Hibbing and Elizabeth
Theiss-Morse in their book Stealth Democracy present a very strong
counter to the participatory model of democracy. They find fault with much of
the research that shows that while people may be disengaged with conventional
politics they hold favourable attitudes towards participatory democracy. They
The last thing people want is to be more involved in
political decision making: They do not want to make political decisions
themselves; they do not want to provide much input to those who are assigned to
make these decisions; and they would rather not know all the details of the
decision-making process. Most people have strong feelings on few if any of the
issues the government needs to address and would prefer to spend their time in
Their study found support for the idea that people want
‘Stealth Democracy’ that is hidden from view. ‘The people as a whole’, they
say, ‘tend to be quite indifferent to policies and therefore not eager to hold
government accountable for the policies it produces’.
In regards to the above theories we may ask: what does
politics mean to young people in the twenty-first century? In light of the lack
of political participation (electoral engagement in particular) that
characterises democracy in the twenty-first century this question is especially
pertinent. Some have suggested that what is perceived as the current malaise
may, in fact, be the default setting for democracy in the twenty-first century. Peter Mair has argued that ‘what we now see emerging is a notion of democracy
that is being steadily stripped of its popular component—a notion of democracy
without a demos’. The
theories relating to participatory democracy and elitism prove fertile ground
for exploring questions of importance to this study. Do young people actually
want to get more involved in politics?
The Citizens’ Agenda
In order to examine these questions, albeit in an indirect
way, I would now like to examine a few voter engagement projects I was involved
with over the course of the last election to examine whether, when given the choice,
people chose to engage or not. We cannot at this stage say a lot about the
extent to which young people participated in these voter engagement projects
(although we will be able to say more as we analyse the voluminous data
collected). These projects do nevertheless allow us to think about the
questions above and then relate that back to young people.
The first thing I should say is that the context of the
election had an effect on these projects, in good and bad ways. A poll that
colleagues and I released on behalf of the Centre for Advancing Journalism at
the University of Melbourne highlighted the magnitude of this problem.
Majorities said the quality of political leadership, and political debate, was
noticeably worse now than it has usually been in the past. Fewer than 10 per
cent said it was ‘noticeably better’. On top of this only 28 per cent said they
had confidence in the federal government!
The first project I will discuss was called the Citizens’
Agenda. This was a project that I was involved in with colleagues from the
Centre for Advancing Journalism at the University of Melbourne.
It worked thus: we chose 10 electorates in which to conduct a
Citizens’ Agenda. These seats were chosen on the basis of a range of criteria
including marginality, state representation, internet penetration and rural and
In these 10 electorates a new social media group called OurSay
organised the logistics of voting and the town hall meetings which followed. On
the website citizens could either post a question, vote for a question (each
registrant had seven votes) and/or then comment on a question. The question
with the most votes was then discussed in a ‘town hall’ meeting which we
invited all incumbents and contestants in the particular seat to attend.
Bob Tapscott has said that ‘The first era of representative
democracy was great … But there was a weak public mandate and an inert
citizenry’. He suggested we can now move ‘toward a second era now where you
have a culture of public deliberation and active citizenship’. The Citizens’ Agenda was our attempt to contribute to this.
I wrote an opinion piece in The Age before the election
in which I ended the article saying: ‘This is a “world-first” trial and we’re
excited to be a part of it. But do citizens actually want to be part of this
conversation? Over to you’.
Well, what happened? The success, as you may expect, was
patchy. In the seat of Melbourne we had 195 questions posted on the OurSay
website, 5973 votes and 227 comments. The town hall meeting was attended
by over 250 people with the three major candidates contesting that seat
attending this event and answering questions. The top question with 697 votes
was by Mike Pottenger who asked: ‘In 2013, corruption and problems of integrity
have been prominent nation-wide. What do you consider to be the most important
reform needed in our political system to improve integrity and accountability,
and what do you see as the biggest obstacle to that reform?’
Compare this to the electorate of Fowler in the west of Sydney
where we had only eight questions, 102 votes and no comments. Only one
candidate (from the Australia United Party) agreed to turn up. And the event
overall was poorly attended and not something we would call a success.
We are at the very early stages of the data analysis but one
thing that has emerged is that the project, in many seats, seems to have
engaged the already engaged. Another thing, more specific to the topic of this
paper is that, on average, participants at the town hall meetings tended to be
older which raises questions about the commitment of young ‘clicktivists’ to
We will be reporting in much more detail on this over the next
few years. But for now we can say that when given the opportunity to
participate in a ‘participatory democracy’ activity like this a relatively
small amount of people took this up. As mentioned above, the views of Pateman
and Macpherson hold that if people know that meaningful channels exist for them
to get actively involved then a greater number will. But we could did not see
an overwhelming uptake of the Citizens’ Agenda. There could have been other
reasons for this: we may not have advertised the events well enough or it may
have had something to do with the nature of the election. But at this stage we
could only label the Citizens’ Agenda a moderate success. Widespread
‘participatory democracy’ it was not and young people on average did not seem
more engaged than others in this project.
Compare this to Vote Compass where we had more than 1.3
million people log onto the site and complete the survey.
What is Vote Compass? Vote Compass is an interactive electoral
literacy application developed by a global non-profit network of political
scientists. Its objective is to promote democratic engagement during election
Australia was by no means the first country for Vote Compass
to be used. Vote Compass was developed by Canadian political scientists and first
launched during the 2011 Canadian federal election campaign in partnership with
CBC, the Canadian equivalent of the ABC. It drew nearly two million
respondents, making it one of the largest datasets of Canadian public opinion
of public policy issues in the country’s history. Vote Compass has since been
run in two provincial elections in Canada and the last US election.
The premise of the application is relatively straightforward:
based on their responses to a series of public policy propositions, users are
presented with an analysis of how their views compare with the positions of
each of the political parties.
The project is motivated by many of the concerns expressed in
this paper. A desire to stimulate voter engagement in election campaigns in
particular, but also to spread awareness of the public policy positions adopted
by parties, increase accountability of politicians to their platforms, and
prompt government to be more responsive to public opinion.
How does it work? Anyone can log onto the website and fill out
a questionnaire of 30 questions (which included questions on issues like
the economy, health, education and foreign affairs). We arrived at this set of
questions after whittling down a list of over 100 questions which we developed
over the course of a two-day meeting in Sydney. This was followed by numerous
email and Skype correspondence to discuss what questions should be included. We
arrived at what we thought were a set of questions that were representative of
the most important issues facing Australia.
An example of the questions asked were:
- Australia should end the monarchy and become a republic
- The government’s parental leave pay should be the same for all
- How many new immigrants should Australia admit?
- Australia should spend more on foreign aid
- Students in government and non-government schools should receive
the same amount of federal funding
- How much should the federal government do to tackle climate
- The national budget deficit should be reduced, even if it means
fewer public services
- Private health insurance rebates should depend on income
- The Australian Constitution should recognise Indigenous people as
Australia’s first inhabitants
- Marriage should only be between a man and a woman
- How much should the government spend on defence?
- Boats carrying asylum seekers should be turned back
We then identified 17 broad areas like climate change, gender
equality, immigration, budget deficit and defence and then asked respondents to
ascribe an importance to issues as we recognised that people do not feel the
same way about all issues and some will be more important to some people than
others. For example, economic issues may be more important than other issues to
As mentioned previously, based on people’s responses to a
brief questionnaire, Vote Compass generates an analysis of how the respondent’s
views compare to the positions of the parties. For various reasons we decided
to only include the Coalition, the ALP and the Greens. We placed respondents’
answers and the parties’ positions on an economic right and left and social
liberalism and social conservatism scale.
We then calibrated the parties. Party positions in Vote
Compass were determined by way of a two-part process. A research team of
political scientists based at the University of Melbourne analysed the
available data on party positions vis-à-vis the issues reflected in the
questionnaire. Based on this analysis, a determination was made as to how each
party would respond to each proposition. The research team then initiated a
direct dialogue with each of the parties represented in Vote Compass as an
additional check as to the accuracy of its calibrations. All parties were
provided with an opportunity to review and, if necessary, challenge the
calibrations before Vote Compass was launched.
Voters could engage with this tool as much or as little as
they liked. To complete the survey and see the results could take less than 10
minutes but respondents could go deeper into the results and compare themselves
to the parties on particular issues or look up the party’s position on
What lessons can we take from this? Clearly Vote Compass
tapped into something. My personal view is that it was representative of the
tenor of the election in which there was not a lot of substantial policy
discussion. Vote Compass provided voters with an easy way to see where the
parties stand when this was often obscured in media coverage. It was also novel
for many and interactive.
We also did not have a major media partner with the Citizens’
Agenda whereas the ABC heavily promoted Vote Compass. The Citizens’ Agenda is
also obviously more labour intensive in terms of attending a town hall meeting.
It required something more than just filling out a survey.
So what does all of this mean for young people? It is actually
a little too early to say. Vote Compass was completed more by young people than
older people but its success was in engaging the disengaged, to the extent that
many people came to Vote Compass from other streams aside from through the ABC
site so it did not just engage ABC viewers and listeners.
I have tried in this paper to show how engaged young people
are in politics, in terms of their political participation in particular. In
terms of electoral engagement the picture is quite bleak. This is concerning.
My personal view is that there is no replacement for the aggregating mechanism
that electoral politics and voting in particular play, which is why I am very
admiring of the work that electoral commissions and politicians do. Electoral
politics matters. And it is largely to do with the success of electoral
politics, I think, that young people are a little neglectful of it. In terms of
non-electoral politics, young people are more engaged. However, there is a real
danger of resource inequalities being exacerbated here.
In the second section of the paper I outlined some models of
democracy and gave examples of two voter engagement projects I was involved
with. These are attempts to ‘bring the people in’. In the case of the Citizens’
Agenda it has been a moderate success but has been limited in large part to the
already engaged and those attending many of the town hall meetings tended to be
older rather than younger. Vote Compass, on the other hand, has engaged the
disengaged to an extent and, we hope, improved the public’s knowledge of the
positions of the parties. There was clearly some appetite for this.
But in terms of what democracy means in the twenty-first
century and what young people’s place in it will be, that remains to be seen.
What does seem certain is that different forms of engagement will continue to
transmogrify with reverberations being felt around the political landscape.
Question — Your figures about engagement, or lack of
engagement, of young people are very contemporary figures. Is this a new
phenomenon? Is there any reason to believe that young people are less engaged
now than in the past or, alternatively, is the inference one draws from your
figures that people become more engaged as they become older?
Aaron Martin — That is an excellent question and it
gets to the point that I made about ‘have young people always been this way?’
and the question of ‘is this actually generational effects or is it life cycle
effects?’ The answer on electoral politics is that this is a generational
phenomenon. In other words, young people today are less electorally engaged
than were young people 20 or 30 years ago, so there is something different
about young people today. On non-electoral participation, the honest answer is
that we do not have the data to say because we have not asked these questions
over a long period of time. On non-electoral participation, yes, young people
are more engaged. Will that continue as they age? We do not know but we will
find out. In regards to electoral engagement, I actually have figures in the
book that show what is happening over time, but we are not sure in terms of
Question — Is it something different about young people
today, or is it something different about politics or the political issues?
Aaron Martin — I guess that there is no clear answer to
that. You could blame young people and say, ‘it’s actually young people’s fault
they are lazy’ or you could say ‘actually, it’s just the rational reaction to
the political system which they don’t feel is responsive to them’.
Question — Australia has an aging population which is
changing its demographics. Is that having an impact on the engagement of the
Aaron Martin — It could do. I haven’t actually looked
at that in a lot of detail. I think there will be various challenges in terms
of where we allocate resources, because there will be an ageing population that
will require certain resources to deal with. But the answer is I do not know
whether or not that is having an effect.
Question — I get the impression that the older
population has a slightly more conservative bent to the younger population and
they are beginning to dominate the political discussion and that might be
causing younger people to become less engaged, because they feel their voice is
becoming more marginalised.
Aaron Martin — I could say something in regards to the
US, and what happened in 2008 with Barack Obama. It is a different system to
Australia but I still think this story is constructive. When Obama was running
for the presidency in the primaries in 2007, the conventional wisdom was that
young people do not vote in primaries and it is no use in going after them; it
is better to actually try and mobilise the base, which is older people. One of
the things Obama thought was ‘if I just try and mobilise older people I am not
going to beat Hillary Clinton for the nomination and John Edwards as well’, and
the second thing was ‘well, that’s the conventional wisdom but maybe they can
be mobilised’. He was laughed at by people in the Clinton team and others for
deciding to go after the young people, because it was considered that young
people do not vote. He went after that group, he mobilised their support, he
won the nomination, and he won the presidency. I think even though there might
be this tendency to just try and mobilise older people there is some advantage
in trying to mobilise young people as well.
Question — My question is about Vote Compass and how it
didn’t have questions about some very important issues that young people would
be interested in. For example, the great increase in casual and part-time work,
youth unemployment, crippling levels of HECS debt, the decline in
apprenticeships in this country, and the housing affordability issue, would be
five issues that would resonate with young people and I do not recall seeing
them in the Vote Compass repertoire of questions. Was there any youth input
into devising Vote Compass?
Aaron Martin — Vote Compass was not designed for young
people and in a way it is a slightly uncomfortable fit with the focus of the
talk today, which is young people. We designed the tool to represent the issues
that we thought were most important in terms of Australians generally and we
only had so much space because we didn’t want to design a questionnaire that
had 100 questions in it. We started off with about 150 questions, which we got
down to 30, so I think it is a good point but the tool was really designed for
the general population to represent their policy interests rather than just
Question — I only voted once in the United Kingdom
before I left for various other countries and at that time you could not vote
until you were 21. Because you could not vote you became more and more anxious
to be able to vote. At the time I did vote in the United Kingdom, the two main
political parties were very demarked, one from the other. You had a Labour
Party which was in favour of nationalisation and which had social security from
the cradle to the grave, whereas you had a conservative party which went back
to the policies of before the 1939–45 war. Isn’t this one of the problems
today, that there is far less demarcation between the main political parties?
Aaron Martin — There is reasonably good evidence that
reducing the voting age from 21 to 18 had a deleterious effect on voter
turnout. The argument is that you could not have picked a worse year to try and
engage young people in their first act of voting than at age 18, because they
are finishing high school, trying to get a licence, thinking about university
and just generally have other things on their mind. So it is a really terrible
year to try and engage young people to be enrolled to vote and then to turn up.
There is an argument that 16-year-old voting would be preferable because young
people are less distracted by those sorts of things and you could enrol people
through their schooling. There could be some truth to the idea that once you
have actually got to a point you have been waiting for you might engage more.
As to whether the parties are different or not, that is a question which I do not
know the clear answer to but I think it is a really interesting empirical
Question — You mentioned that earlier generations were
more likely to be involved at a younger age. I was wondering if this was due to
the very times, such a World War II or the Depression and so on, and whether
those older people who got more involved when they were young retained their
interest? Have you studied the younger people who have been involved and those
who have not been involved? Has there been any criteria such as the suburb they
lived in, the school they attended, their apprentice, their services or their
profession that they were in and so on?
Aaron Martin — The answer to a few of those questions
is ‘I don’t know’. My book looked at young people in general so I am not sure
about what specific groups are doing and I didn’t do qualitative interviews,
although I will in the future.
But I wanted to pick up on what I think is the most
substantial point there, which is that in the past politics had a much more
visible effect on people’s lives. The two events that you pinpoint, the Depression
and both world wars, in both of those cases the State or the political system,
was doing a few really crucial things. It was sending you off to war, it was
sending your friends off to war, and you saw your friends being killed in war,
all as a consequence of decisions made here. It is probably the most serious
decision a nation can make, to send young people to war. In the case of the
Great Depression, you had enormous levels of unemployment where people were
really poor and then you had this state come in and basically engage in
programs that got tonnes of people into employment and out of having to beg for
food. So in that case, is politics important to your life? Of course it is, it is
My argument is that politics today is also really crucial and
also really important because although we cannot see it, if it was taken away
we would find out really quickly. So young people’s neglect of electoral
politics is in part driven by the success of politics. I think you are
absolutely right that in times past that connection was more visible. I think
it is very important now to realise what a tremendously large and positive
impact politics actually does have on our lives.
Question — Mine is not so much a question as an
observation. With my participation with the election in Malaysia, I found that
it is not so much the young or the old but it is more the digital divide. What
we found was that in the areas where we could reach people via the internet,
Twitter and Facebook, most of the people, young and old, would vote for the
opposition for change. Yet for the areas that we could not penetrate through
digital means, they would vote for the government because the newspaper was
completely controlled by the governing party. I do not think that same issue
applies in Australia. If it does, I am interested to know.
Aaron Martin — I can just say a few things about that.
I do think that the digital divide does play out in Australia and I think we saw
that with the Citizens’ Agenda in particular and some people were engaged and
others not engaged and I think the internet has tremendous potential to
mobilise people. My larger concern though is that that just becomes a
substitute for more substantive engagement. I think it was ‘Groucho’ Marx who
said ‘those who win are those who turn up’. I think that can also be said to
relate to electoral politics; you do have to turn up and actually have to leave
your computer screen and get engaged to effect real change. So yes, the digital
divide does exist, but I think in terms of substantial change a lot of that
Question — With my experience in Malaysia, of what I
observed, it did actually bring the highest voters. They do not have compulsory
voting and I think last election they managed to get 82 per cent of people
coming out and the opposition did get a popular vote, despite the fact that
they lost the election to gerrymandering. But the digital power did get people
to come out.
Aaron Martin — Maybe I will just end by saying that I
made a case before about the importance of politics and Malaysia and other
countries which are not established democracies are interesting cases. I was
speaking to a group of Iranian dissidents a few years ago and I said ‘where
does politics happen for you?’ Their basic answer was ‘it happens everywhere,
so when we go to see a sporting game there is politics, when we speak to our
friends it is politics’. Part of the genius of politics in a successful
democracy like Australia is that it allows politics to happen in one place and
for us to get on with our lives without worrying about being coerced to do
things by the government in other areas. So we can go to the football and not
worry about it being a political thing. So I think that is worthwhile
remembering and actually reminding ourselves that in contrast to countries like
Malaysia where you might have high levels of corruption or gerrymandering and
in contrast to countries like Iran where politics is everywhere in a really
oppressive sort of way that we can actually get on with our lives for the most
part and do not actually have to engage in politics so much. That, in part, is
due to the success of our political system.
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