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Trick or Treaty? Commonwealth Power to Make and Implement Treaties

Chapter 13

States and Territories

Lack of international status of State and Territory Governments

13.1 Only the Commonwealth government is recognised by the international community as having 'international legal personality'.[1] The States have never had international legal personality and accordingly have never had the capacity to enter into treaties, even when they were colonies.[2] Professor Zines has described the situation as follows:

    Although the external affairs power in s. 51(xxix) is not expressed to be exclusive, it is clear that it is only the Commonwealth that acts on the international scene. Australia speaks to the world with one voice, and that is the voice of the Commonwealth. The States did not develop international personality. Executive power to engage in diplomatic relations, enter into international treaties and conventions and declare war and peace is therefore an exclusive power of the Commonwealth.[3]

13.2 As early as 1903, the Imperial authorities rejected a role for State Governments in the process of treaty making. Dr Mary Crock described the circumstances as follows:

    In the Vondel Case,[4] for example, the South Australian Premier met with little success when he tried to argue that while the treaty power resided in Westminster, its mechanical operation was through the States. The Premier maintained that the imposition of an intermediary between his State and the King was an indignity to his Government and asked why the States should not be as good a 'channel of communication' as the Commonwealth. In response, the Imperial authorities simply accepted the contention that the Federal Government's power was exclusive and upheld the objections raised to South Australia's behaviour.[5]

13.3 The Secretary of State for the Colonies argued that:

    the aim and object of the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act was not to create merely a new administrative and legislative machinery for the six states united in the Commonwealth, but to merge the six states into one united federal state or Commonwealth furnished with the powers essential to its existence as such.... By the [Constitution] Act a new state or nation was created armed with paramount power not only to settle the more important internal affairs relating to the common interests of the united peoples, but also to deal with all political matters arising between them and any other part of the Empire or (through His Majesty's Government) with any foreign Power.[6]

13.4 States do, however, enter into international agreements which have less than treaty status.[7] These are normally trade or cultural agreements. State Governments have a range of offices overseas. States are represented in London, Tokyo and Hong Kong. Mr Stuart Harris has recorded that States communicate with foreign governments and conclude agreements with Governments or more usually with instrumentalities of Governments, by use of agreements such as a memorandum of understanding.[8]

13.5 It was submitted to the Committee that if the States seek consultation with the Commonwealth about treaties, then States should consult the Commonwealth about their own international agreements, before entering into them.[9] Mr Roger Wilkins, Director-General of the NSW Cabinet Office, conceded that there have been a few instances where Commonwealth policy and State international agreements in the areas of trade or agriculture have clashed.[10] Senator Cooney responded by suggesting that these problems might be overcome if there were a body which dealt with consultation in both directions.[11]

13.6 While States lack the international status necessary to enter into treaties, States are equipped to legislate with respect to treaties. This was made clear by the submission made by the Western Australian Government:

    State and Territory Parliaments (including the Western Australian Parliament) have legislative power to implement treaties and conventions. The power flows from the grant of plenary legislative power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the State Constitutions (see for example, section 2 of the WA Constitution 1889). Furthermore, State laws can validly operate outside Australia (i.e. beyond low watermark).[12]

Federal clauses

13.7 A 'federal clause' usually refers to a provision of a treaty under which the international responsibility of a federal state is accepted only for matters within the constitutional authority of the federal government. If, as in the case of Australia, the federal authority has full power to implement the treaty, the clause does not affect the obligations of that country.[13] Background information on the role of federal clauses in international law appears in Chapter 3.

13.8 The 1982 version of the Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties included an agreement by the Commonwealth to seek federal clauses in treaties which cover subjects that are governed by State law. In November 1983, the newly elected Hawke Government reaffirmed most of the 'Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties', but gave a different view on the inclusion of federal clauses in treaties. The Commonwealth Government stated that it did not favour the inclusion of federal clauses in treaties and did not intend to instruct Australian delegations to seek such inclusion. The revised document noted that the inclusion of such clauses in treaties:

    [i]s generally seen by the international community as an attempt by the federal State to avoid the full obligations of a party to the treaty. Experience at a number of international conferences has shown that such clauses are regarded with disfavour by almost the entire international community.[14]

13.9 The revised document further stated that the Commonwealth does not object to making a short 'Federal Statement' on signing or ratifying treaties where it is intended that the Australian States will play a role in the treaty's implementation. The following statement is given as an example:

    Australia has a federal constitutional system in which legislative, executive and judicial power are shared or distributed between its central, State and Territory authorities.

    The implementation of the treaty throughout Australia will be effected by the Federal, State and Territory governments having regard to their respective constitutional powers and arrangements concerning their exercise.[15]

13.10 A number of those who made oral and written submissions to the Committee considered that federal clauses should still play an important role in Australia's treaty making process.

13.11 Mr JeremyBuxton was of the view that federal clauses were important:

    It is not submitted that Australia ought to abandon these and other multilateral conventions. It is however essential that we undertake to implement them through the mechanism of our federal Constitution. For this reason it is a matter of deep concern that in 1984 the Commonwealth Government withdrew the previous reservation to the ICCPR that affirmed its implementation through Australia's constitutional processes. 'Federal clauses' must be an essential condition of adherence to conventions.[16]

13.12 The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry also submitted that 'federalist clauses' should be included, as appropriate.

13.13 On the other hand, it should be noted that Australia may not be able to achieve the insertion of federal clauses in treaties, because they are considered by many countries as mere excuses for avoiding treaty obligations. Federal clauses declined in popularity in the 1970s and the majority of countries would not allow a federal clause to be inserted in a multilateral treaty.[18] Professor Charlesworth, from the University of Adelaide, when asked whether federal clauses are on the decline, responded:

    That is right. Australian delegations, as I understand, used to be instructed to try and seek them in treaties. The Canadians as well, obviously, were quite interested in such clauses. The position has changed... They are certainly very much on the decline because they really amounted to 'weasel words,' to use the term.

    Countries could sign on and then say, 'Oops, we have a federal clause and we have a federation, therefore we cannot do anything.' There is a general acknowledgment in the international community that they have been used as back ways out of treaty obligations. I am not aware of one in a treaty in the last five years, for example. They were much more common in the 1950s and 1960s.[19]

13.14 Professor Charlesworth also observed that the insertion of a 'federal declaration' appears to be an attempt to revive the old federal clause procedure, but noted that the extensive Commonwealth power under s. 51(xxix) of the Constitution means that any such reservation or declaration is meaningless.[20]

13.15 In the absence of the ability to achieve the insertion of a federal clause in a treaty, and given that it may not have any constitutional effect in Australia anyway because of the Commonwealth's extensive power under s. 51(xxix) of the Constitution, the only effective course may be for specific reservations to be made to clauses of the treaty. Professor Detmold explained this as follows:

    Because of the extent of the external affairs power now, simple federal clauses do not really mean anything. If the Commonwealth or anyone wants meaningful federal clauses they are going to have to spell out in the treaty exactly what it is they are reserving. For example, they could say, 'Traditionally such and such a matter has been regarded as a matter for the states and we have no intention of disturbing that understanding.' They could make a reservation in those specific terms rather than the meaningless federal reservation.[21]

13.16 Mr Henry Burmester, from the Attorney-General's Department, acknowledged that the Commonwealth's external affairs power could be reduced by placing reservations on specific clauses of a treaty, but warned that such reservations could not be applied in all cases:

    There may be limits on the reservations that a state could make either in the convention itself, which says there will be no reservations or any reservation does have to be compatible with the object and purpose of the convention.... But if there was a reservation, that would certainly reduce the Commonwealth's external affairs power.[22]

13.17 Mr Daley, from the Victorian Department of Premier and Cabinet, acknowledged that as many international treaties expressly forbid the making of federal reservations the Commonwealth is often precluded from making such reservations.[23]

Consultation with States and Territories

13.18 Consultations with the States and Territories on treaties and draft treaties utilise a number of mechanisms. Currently these include:

  • those set out in the 'Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties';
  • the Standing Committee on Treaties; and
  • relevant ministerial Councils where treaties are discussed.[24]

Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties

13.19 In 1977, proposals were made for a set of guidelines on how the States should be consulted on the negotiation and ratification of treaties. In 1982, the Premiers and the Commonwealth reached agreement on a set of 'Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties'. These procedures were revised by the Commonwealth Government in 1983 and then revised again in 1992. The revised principles and procedures were circulated by the Prime Minister to the States and Territories on 18 March 1992.[25]

13.20 The Principles and Procedures provide for consultation on matters which are of particular sensitivity or importance to the States and Territories in relation to both the negotiation and implementation of treaties.[26] The Principles do not require that the States and Territories agree on ratification before a treaty may be ratified. The Principles and Procedures are subject to the condition that they are not to lead to 'unreasonable delays' in the negotiation, joining or implementing of treaties by Australia.

13.21 The submission from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade provided further details about the Principles and Procedures as follows:

    The Principles and Procedures make it clear that consultation is to take place from the time of the decision to enter into negotiations until the treaty has been implemented, in particular, the States and Territories are to be consulted on the way in which a treaty is to be implemented. If a treaty to which Australia is a party requires the submission of reports, the views of the State and Territory Governments should be ascertained in the preparation of the reports.

    The Principles and Procedures specifically provide that a State or Territory representative should be included in the Australian delegation to appropriate treaty negotiations. Such representatives have recently been included on Australian delegations to negotiations on the Desertification Convention and the Framework Convention on Climate Change, as well as on bilateral maritime delimitation negotiations with Indonesia.[27]

Standing Committee on Treaties

13.22 In July 1991, the Premiers' Conference agreed to the establishment of a Standing Committee on Treaties. The 'Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties' provides that the Standing Committee is to be composed of 'senior Commonwealth and State/Territory officers'. The Committee is to 'meet twice a year, or more often if required'. Its functions are to:

  • identify treaty and other international negotiations of particular sensitivity or importance to States, and propose an appropriate mechanism for State involvement in the negotiation process;
  • monitor and report on the implementation of particular treaties where the implementation of the treaty has strategic implications, including significant cross-portfolio interests, for States;
  • coordinate as required the process for nominating State representation on delegations where such representation is appropriate.[28]

13.23 Prior to each meeting of the Standing Committee a document is circulated to the States and Territories which sets out the treaties in relation to which the Commonwealth Government intends to take action. States and Territories are also advised between the meetings of any new and concluded negotiations.

13.24 The Committee received certain documents as examples of the information provided by the Commonwealth to the State and Territory Governments.[29] These documents show the range of information provided, from the detailed to the perfunctory.

13.25 The Joint Submission of the States and Territories submitted that the 'level of information provided by the Commonwealth to States and Territories varies immensely from treaty to treaty' and that State and Territory views are sometimes sought too late in the negotiation process. The States and Territories proposed the formalisation of the process, submitting:

    In addition to informal consultation, States and Territories should formally respond to the Commonwealth's proposal to negotiate, ratify, and implement treaties through the Treaties Council or the relevant Ministerial Council. All formal responses, and the Commonwealth's answers to them should be sent to the Standing Committee on Treaties. The Standing Committee should prepare an annual report on the consultation process for the Prime Minister, Premiers and Chief Ministers, who could table it in their respective Parliaments. This report should note those treaties on which the Commonwealth and States and Territories did not agree, highlight problems with the consultation processes, and hold up examples of successful consultation processes. This would improve accountability both for the Commonwealth's consultation and for State executive positions on treaty negotiations.[30]

13.26 Senator Kemp has noted how difficult it is to obtain information on whether the States have agreed to the ratification of a treaty, or what may be their concerns.[31] The publication of regular reports may alleviate this problem.

Ministerial Councils

13.27 According to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the 'Principles and Procedures' provide that existing Commonwealth/State consultative bodies may be used to discuss matters in relation to treaties.[32] A number of Ministerial Councils deal with specific types of treaties on an ongoing basis. These Councils include the following:

  • Agriculture and Resource Management Council of Australia and New Zealand and the Australia and New Zealand Minerals and Energy Council;
  • Australia and New Zealand Environment and Conservation Council and Intergovernmental Committee on Ecologically Sustainable Development (ICESD);
  • Australian Transport Council (Marine and Ports Group);
  • Labour Ministers' Conference;
  • Ministerial Council on Forestry, Fisheries and Aquaculture; and
  • Standing Committee of Attorneys-General (SCAG).[33]

13.28 The rationale behind the relevant Ministerial Councils discussing treaties is that they have the expertise and broader policy knowledge to effectively consider the substantive issues that arise under treaties.[34]

13.29 Mr Stewart-Crompton, of the Department of Industrial Relations, appeared to give some weight to the views of the States and Territories in relation to a decision to ratify a treaty. He submitted to the Committee:

The approach to ratification of Conventions by Australia is that this occurs only where two preconditions are satisfied:

  • that law and practice in all relevant jurisdictions is in compliance with the Convention in question, and
  • that all State and Territory governments have formally agreed to ratification (except for those Conventions whose subject matter falls within the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth Government alone).[35]

    ...

    In recent years, the Commonwealth has on two occasions ratified ILO Conventions without the formal agreement of the States and Territories (apart from those Conventions whose subject matter falls within the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth alone).[36]

13.30 The two Conventions which were ratified without the consent of all the States are ILO Convention No. 156, Workers with Family Responsibilities, and ILO Convention No. 158, Termination of Employment. The latter of these Conventions is discussed in Chapter 9.

SCAG Working Group on Human Rights

13.31 The Government recently announced that at the next meeting of the Commonwealth and State and Territory Attorneys-General, (SCAG) the Commonwealth will propose the establishment of a Working Party on Human Rights.[37] The Working Party on Human Rights would have the task of working towards a coordinated national strategy on human rights and should, it is claimed, provide a base for future cooperation in satisfying Australia's international human rights responsibilities - including responses to communications to the international human rights treaty bodies.[38]

Criticisms of the current consultation processes with States and Territories

13.32 The Joint Submission of the Governments of the States and Territories of Australia indicates that there were a number of problems with the existing consultation procedures. They had a number of difficulties as follows:

  • The level of information provided by the Commonwealth to States and Territories varies immensely from treaty to treaty.
  • State and Territory views are sometimes sought too late in the negotiation process.
  • Complex multilateral treaties affect many departments in different ways. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is sometimes not aware of all the State departments which deal with matters affected by a treaty.
  • The system of consultation does not allow States and Territories to track the progress of consultation on treaties through different departments and so they cannot ensure that all of their knowledge is passed on to the Commonwealth.
  • The consultation process is not transparent, and the public remains unaware of State and Territory concerns and of Commonwealth responses to them; and
  • The Commonwealth has the power to over-ride State and Territory objections to a treaty even in circumstances where it may be unreasonable to do so.[39]

13.33 One of the arguments for detailed State and Territory involvement is that 'State and Territory officials may have hands-on experience of an area which Commonwealth officials negotiating the treaty may not have.'[40]

13.34 The Joint State and Territory Submission pointed out:

    The Commonwealth does not always consider adequately how its implementation of a treaty will mesh with existing State and Territory administrations and laws... The Commonwealth legislation may not provide a comprehensive regime, and may result in patchwork legislation which increases administration and compliance costs. Commonwealth legislation may prevent the operation of State legislation which imposes higher standards or more appropriate conditions. The Commonwealth may selectively intervene so as to upset the overall balance achieved by day to day administration.[41]

13.35 Ms Marie Swain, from the New South Wales Parliamentary Research Service, has noted:

    The States have a number of concerns with the present system. The first is that the Federal government is able, seemingly unilaterally to commit Australia to treaties, with which the States may not be in accord. And although the States are supposed to be consulted about treaties the Federal government is contemplating becoming a signatory to, there is no requirement for the views of the States to be taken into account.[42]

    [O]nce treaties have been ratified the States can almost be coerced into amending their legislation, if amendment is necessary to give effect to the obligations under the treaty, or risk the Federal Government enacting overriding legislation if they choose not to do so.[43]

State criticism of the current operation of the Standing Committee on Treaties

13.36 The States and Territories have been critical of the way the Standing Committee on Treaties functions in practice.

13.37 A number of problems were identified in a position paper attached to the Joint State and Territory Submission. The paper stated that:

    States and Territories have not used the Committee consistently or effectively and are seldom represented by senior officials. The Commonwealth sees the Committee merely as a clearing house for information and is not prepared to discuss the substance of particular treaties. More fundamentally it is a committee of officials and is not politically accountable.[44]

13.38 The Victorian Government's Background Paper noted that although the 'Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties' states that the Standing Committee will monitor and report on the implementation of particular treaties and propose appropriate mechanisms for State involvement in the negotiation process, this has not occurred. The Standing Committee has become little more than a 'clearing house' for information on treaties.[45]

13.39 The Background paper states:

    Meeting only twice a year the Committee has not fulfilled its purpose of:

  • supervising the Commonwealth-State consultation process;
  • ensuring that all relevant State Departments are consulted; and
  • clearly articulating State attitudes to contentious treaties.

The value of the Committee is limited and could be increased. Despite the explicit provisions of the Principles and Procedures, the Committee does not regularly propose mechanisms for Commonwealth-State consultation over particular treaties. Nor does it oversee the nomination of State representatives to delegations. The Committee has never reported on the implementation of treaties. It is difficult for it to do so because the Commonwealth refuses to discuss the substance of particular treaties at the Committee.[46]

Recent examples of consultation practices with the States and Territories

13.40 The Victorian Government Background Paper claimed that consultation with the States and Territories was 'patchy' and discussed the circumstances in which Australia ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child[47] and ILO Convention 158, Termination of Employment.[48] These are discussed in detail in Chapter 9.

13.41 The Victorian Background Paper claimed that the States were not fully consulted on a range of other treaties, including the UN Convention on Narcotic Drugs, the Protocol on Environment Protection to the Antarctic Treaty, the Declaration under article 90 of Additional Protocol 1 to the Geneva Conventions of 1949[49] and the Convention for the Protection of Mentally Ill Persons.[50]

13.42 The Victorian Background Paper also referred to the question of Australia's accession to the First Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Mr Wilkins, the Director-General of the New South Wales Cabinet Office, also noted that different Attorneys-General of New South Wales had 'emphatically protested that Australia should not enter into that Optional Protocol'.[51] This case appears, however, to be one of concern that the objections of the States were ignored, rather than a lack of consultation, because consultation occurred over a significant period of time.[52]

Improvement of consultation processes with the States and Territories

13.43 There is some evidence that the Commonwealth has been improving its processes of consultation with the States and Territories.[53]

13.44 This has been evident in a number of areas, particularly with the establishment of the Standing Committee on Treaties. It has also been evident in the participation of State and Territory officials at treaty negotiations:

    Mr Campbell [from the Attorney-General's Department] - I think they [the States] were represented on most of the prominent environment conventions recently. Certainly the desertification convention, the biodiversity convention and the climate change convention all had representatives from the states attending negotiations as part of the Australian delegation. At least one of the state solicitors-general, over the whole history of the law of the sea negotiations, has attended the major sessions, including the sessions of the preparatory committee for the law of the sea.

    Mr Lamb - I think our records are very good actually. We have also had representatives of the states in our delegations over the years at the UN Commission on Human Rights annual sessions. Even though it is not a treaty making body itself, it is a body that frequently generates thinking about what ought to happen in a treaty or how a treaty might be implemented or what the standards are that are being used.

    We are looking at the moment at the composition of the Australian delegation at the first negotiating session later this year at the working group set up by the Commission on Human Rights on the draft declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples. Although that is not a treaty itself, it is regarded by the states as a document of sufficient importance to warrant their close interest. So we have said we think it is perfectly reasonable that they should think that way. If they wish to nominate a state to carry the flag for them inside the negotiating sessions, they are free to do so.[54]

13.45 Mr Lamb claimed that the consultative process used by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is better 'than that which exists in any other country, including Canada, the UK, the US, Germany or the countries that have requirements for parliamentary approval or veto'.[55]

13.46 While the Commonwealth considered that there was a very high level of consultation with the States, the States had a different view. As noted above, the Joint State and Territory Government submission stated that the 'level of information provided by the Commonwealth to States and Territories varies immensely from treaty to treaty' and 'State and Territory views are sometimes sought too late in the negotiation process'.[56]

13.47 The view that Commonwealth consultation of the States is 'varied' was supported by witnesses who appeared before the Committee.[57] Although agreeing that there has been some improvement, Ms Hanlon, from the Victorian Department of Premier and Cabinet noted that the Commonwealth was 'starting from a very low base'.[58] Mr Daley, from the Victorian Department of Premier and Cabinet, noted that exercises such as this inquiry have been the catalyst for improved consultation, but that measures should be taken to ensure that the improved levels of consultation continue when there is less scrutiny.[59]

Direct involvement of the States and Territories in the treaty making process

13.48 A number of witnesses suggested that the States should have a more direct role in the treaty making process.[60]

13.49 A Western Australian parliamentarian, the Hon. Phillip Pendal MLA, recommended that treaties should be the subject of scrutiny and debate in the State Parliaments.[61] Dr Thomson, from the Western Australian Attorney-General's Department, responded that there is, at present, no impediment to treaties being debated and scrutinised in the State Parliaments.[62]

13.50 Mr Pendal also suggested that where a treaty affects State legislation, it would not be unreasonable to allow the States the right to veto a treaty. In order to avoid the necessity of constitutional amendment, he proposed that if a majority of States voted against a treaty, this message should be sent to the Senate, which should then vote on the matter.[63]

13.51 The Governments of the States and Territories seemed less enthusiastic about the involvement of the State and Territory Parliaments in the treaty making process and did not claim for their Governments a direct role in treaty making, or the power to veto treaties. Their position was summarised by Mr Daley as follows:

    I think essentially we see it as being too difficult, too complex and too messy to try to involve all of the State parliaments in a formal way as well and that the Commonwealth Parliament is an appropriate forum for that sort of consultation.[64]

    The States are not asking for any formal part in the treaty process. We are not saying that, under this law that you are proposing under section 51, Australia shall not approve a treaty unless it has the approval of State Governments.... That is quite clearly a State and Territory position. We are saying that there should be extensive consultation, and we are saying that that consultation should be done properly.[65]

Need for States and Territories to take a broader interest in treaty processes

13.52 Historically, at least part of the problem with the consultation process with the States and Territories may have been caused by the failure of State Departments to keep informed the relevant Department of the Premier or Chief Minister. Ms Tyers and Mr Daley from the Victorian Department of Premier and Cabinet commented:

    Ms Tyers - [N]egotiations about treaties go on between various Commonwealth government departments and a range of state government departments which makes it very difficult to coordinate the process.

    CHAIR - That goes on without the knowledge of the standing committee on treaties?

    ....

    Mr Daley -.... It is not just that the standing committee on treaties does not know; it is that the central departments like the Premiers' departments do not know. ....

    Negotiations over the Basel Convention, for example, started off in either the Environment Protection Authority of Victoria or the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources; I am not sure which of the two. I think it has particularly been a problem with environmental treaties in recent years in that the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade goes and talks to state environmental departments, by and large does not talk nearly so much to business or industry-type departments - whatever they are called in the relevant states - and, consequently, the advice and consultation it gets from the states tends to be very much focused towards one side of the issue. No, it does not talk to premiers' departments on a large number of treaties. Or at least it does not do so until the negotiations are pretty much concluded.[66]

13.53 The Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, in its report, A Review of Australia's Efforts to Promote and Protect Human Rights, received evidence on the consultation practices with the States and Territories. The Committee concluded:

    On the basis of the evidence it was difficult for the Committee to assess how much consultation between the Commonwealth and the States took place and how effective it was. In theory, it appeared to be elaborate, involving a variety of mechanisms and levels of government, both official and ministerial. Yet in practice some states talked of meticulous involvement and even inclusion in delegations to the UN, others claimed no consultation or information until after treaties had been ratified.

    There did appear to be a problem of dissemination within some bureaucracies where information passed from Commonwealth line departments to State line departments, did not pass to the central coordinating agencies within the Premier's Department and vice versa. This Committee was also aware of a level of opposition, disinterest or claims of stretched resources from some States when the subject of human rights was broached.

13.54The Joint Committee recommended:

    the further streamlining of the processes of the Commonwealth/State Standing Committee on Treaties to improve the collection and dissemination of information between line departments and the coordinating agency at both the State and Commonwealth levels; and

    the establishment of an educative program on the treaty process for officials at all levels of government.[68]

13.55 The Government has not yet responded to the Joint Committee's 1994 report.

13.56 Dr Herr argued that if States and Territories are to have a greater role in the treaty processes, there is a consequential need for the States 'to take a broader interest and that will involve them in devoting far more resources to monitoring international affairs than they currently do.'

13.57 The Commonwealth Attorney-General's Department considers that the existing methods for consultation with the States and Territories in relation to treaties are satisfactory. However, the Department noted in its submission that the existing structures are not adequately utilised by the States and Territories:

    [T]here is no doubt that the States do not avail themselves fully of the consultation process - for example they could make more use of the Commonwealth-State Standing Committee on Treaties. Moreover, it is the Commonwealth's experience that ... much of the material which is given to the States and Territories on treaties is not given a wide distribution within their Governments.[70]

13.58 The Joint State and Territory submission agreed that the Standing Committee on Treaties could operate more effectively and that it should be upgraded. The States and Territories made the following suggestions:

    It [the Standing Committee on Treaties] should nominate an appropriate process for treaties in which States and Territories have an interest. It should nominate a lead MinCo for each treaty which States and Territories consider important. Of course, the nominated MinCo or governments might subsequently agree to a different process for a particular treaty. The Standing Committee on Treaties should collate and publish the response of MinCos and the Treaties Council.

    States and Territories should also indicate to the Standing Committee on Treaties a contact officer for each treaty. Responsible Ministers would set directions so that States' and Territories' contact officers could respond to continuously shifting international treaty negotiations and ensure that Commonwealth negotiators have information from those who deal with the treaty subject matter on the ground.[71]

Greater involvement of the States and Territories and the problem of delay

13.59 One of the issues of concern about greater involvement of the States and Territories in the treaty making process is that it may result in undue delay in entering into treaties.

13.60 Several academic commentators gave evidence to the Committee in relation to some cases in which consultation with the States and Territories has led to major periods of delay in the ratification of international treaties.[72]

13.61 Commentators have noted that this was the case during the process which led to Australia's accession to the First Optional Protocol to the ICCPR:

    In the case of Australia's accession to the Optional Protocol to the ICCPR, the lack of agreement among the states was the principal reason for the eleven year delay between Australia's ratification of the Covenant and its eventual acceptance of the Protocol.[73]

13.62 Historically, the practice of obtaining the agreement of States before Australia entered into certain international agreements has seen a significant delay in Australia joining important international treaties. One commentator noted:

    There is a long history of Australia's incapacity to ratify many of the agreements adopted by the International Labour Organisation. For many years the Commonwealth was able to adopt but a small percentage of the Organisation's agreements because of a declared policy to ratify only those ILO Conventions to which the States had given or had promised to give legislative effect.[74]

13.63 The Attorney-General's Department also raised the issue that increasing consultation with the States may lead to delays in the treaty making process:

    The point also needs to be made that many of the proposals outlined above for further information and consultation [with the States] could not be implemented without costs, both financial and in terms of substantial delays in the treaty process.[75]

13.64 In 1992, the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade concluded that the process of Commonwealth-State consultation 'proved to be woefully slow, [with] lapses of decades occurring in some cases.' The Committee concluded that it 'would seem that federal governments in their desire not to upset the States have been as culpable as the States in their willingness to let inertia prevail'.[76]

Treaties Council

13.65 In 1985, the Australian Constitutional Convention recommended the establishment of an Australian Treaties Council by the then Premiers' Conference. Membership of the Council would give an emphasis to expertise in international law and inter-Governmental relations. The proposed Council was to function as a body through which the interests of the States could be identified and views expressed and coordinated.[77]

13.66 In 1988, the Constitutional Commission recommended that an Australian Treaties Council be established along the lines proposed by the Australian Constitutional Convention.[78] The proposal for a Treaties Council has not been implemented in its entirety although there have been a number of improvements in Commonwealth and State and Territory consultation mechanisms as discussed above. In particular, a Standing Committee on Treaties has been established to provide assistance to the Commonwealth on the negotiation and implementation of treaties.[79]

13.67 Mr Henry Burmester, of the Attorney-General's Department, asked a number of important questions in relation to the proposal for a Treaties Council:

    There have been suggestions for a treaties council - and I am happy to return to that issue - but I think it is important to ask ourselves precisely what function such a body might fulfil. Is it to be COAG by just another name? Is it to be essentially a state body enabling the states to coordinate their view? Or is it to be some sort of federalstate secretariat and, in that case, where does it report to and essentially what role does it have, given there are existing mechanisms in place?[80]

Support for a Treaties Council

13.68 There was fairly strong support for an increased role for the States in the treaty making process in the evidence before the Committee. The Committee received a number of submissions expressing support for a Treaties Council.[81]

13.69 The Joint State and Territory Submission to the Committee stated that the Premiers and Chief Ministers have agreed to a position paper which recommends that a Treaties Council be formed as an adjunct to the Council of Australian Governments to discuss key strategic treaties and to assist in drawing the Commonwealth's attention to the concerns of the States and Territories.[82]

13.70 The Joint State and Territory Submission noted that the proposed Treaties Council would only have an advisory role, and that the Commonwealth Executive would retain responsibility for decisions on treaty issues.[83]

13.71 According to the Joint State and Territory Submission the proposed Treaties Council would be preferable to the Standing Committee on Treaties:

    The Council would be chaired by the Prime Minister and would heighten Commonwealth awareness and understanding of the States' and Territories' concerns about specific treaties. Unlike the Standing Committee on Treaties [which comprises officials] the Treaties Council would be politically accountable and its members would have clear authority to state the position of their governments.[84]

13.72 The Western Australian Government, in an additional submission to the Committee, called on the Commonwealth Parliament to enact legislation to underpin the Treaties Council:

    It is proposed that an agreed Treaties process, that involves the Commonwealth, States and Territories through a Treaties Council, be created by legislation. The Commonwealth Parliament could exercise its powers, under sections 51(39) and 61 of the Constitution, to enable the treaty process and the Treaties Council.

    Western Australia's proposal is that a Treaties Act be passed by the Commonwealth Parliament to assist in establishing a Treaties Council. The Council's functions would relate to processes for negotiation, drafting, ratification, implementation and monitoring of Treaties and any resulting application of the treaty and alleviate concern expressed by State and Territory Governments, non-government organisations, and the public, that adequate treaty consultation does not occur.

    The Treaties Council would comprise of the Prime Minister, State Premiers and Territory Chief Minsters. The legislation would also formalise a role for the Senate to approve the ratification of Treaties. The Senate, as an essential federal, constitutional and democratic body, must also be involved in the process which determines Australia's involvement in Treaties.[85]

13.73 Premier Wayne Goss has also recently called for the establishment of a Treaties Council.[86]

13.74 The Federal Coalition has also supported the establishment of a Treaties Council. Mr Alexander Downer, Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs, has stated that a Coalition Government would 'establish a Treaties Council as part of the Council of Australian Governments, and this initiative will be associated with a general strengthening of the consultative procedures on international law-making between the Commonwealth and the States'.[87]

13.75 Mr Daryl Williams QC, the Member for Tangney, has expanded on this proposal. He envisaged that the Treaties Council would not only provide the States with better information and advice on the impact of treaties, but would also become a focus for some public consultation during treaty negotiations.[88] Mr Williams QC submitted to the Committee that the Council needs to go beyond the Standing Committee on Treaties:

    [T]he establishment of the Standing Committee does not obviate the need for a Treaties Council. The Standing Committee is not independent of the governments represented on it, its members do not include persons appointed solely because of relevant expertise, and its advice and reports are not public. In addition, the functions of the Standing Committee are much more limited than those the proposed Council would have.[89]

13.76 The Australian Mining Industry Council[90] and the Business Council of Australia both supported the establishment of a Treaties Council.[91] The Association of Mining and Exploration Companies (Inc) wanted treaties to be approved by a two-thirds majority of a council made up of the Premiers, Chief Ministers and the Prime Minister.[92]

13.77 The NSW Farmers Association supported a Treaties Council on the grounds that the external affairs power is a concurrent power, and its exercise should be shared between the Commonwealth and the States through cooperative means.[93]

13.78 The composition of the Treaties Council was the subject of divergent opinions. While the States and Territories saw it as being composed of State Premiers and Territory Chief Ministers, others considered that its members should be appointed by reason of their expertise in legal and governmental matters. Mr Jeremy Buxton argued that it should be 'an independent body and not just established through COAG'. He envisaged it as 'a body with commanding people of great legal and other expertise that could evaluate the possible effects of these multilateral treaties and conventions on the whole body politic'.[94]

13.79 The Hon. Elizabeth Evatt also suggested that the proposal to establish a Treaties Council be looked at again, and saw it as a body made up of representatives of governments or parliaments of the Commonwealth. She considered that one of its functions should be to ensure that Australia is at all times fulfilling its convention obligations.[95]

Conclusion and recommendation

13.80 Only the Commonwealth Government has international legal personality, and therefore only the Commonwealth Government has the power to enter into treaties. The Australian States, however, play an important role in Australia meeting its international obligations. In many cases, treaties are implemented by State legislation or State administrative action. Accordingly, the Committee considers that a more effective mechanism for Commonwealth/State consultation on treaties is imperative.

13.81 The States and Territories, in their joint submission to the Committee, did not seek a power to veto treaties nor did they seek a direct role for State Parliaments in treaty making. Instead, they sought proper and detailed Commonwealth/State consultation on treaties.[96] Such consultation has already been achieved, in part, through the establishment of the Standing Committee on Treaties, and the other procedures set out in the 'Principles and Procedures for Commonwealth-State Consultation on Treaties'.

13.82 However, the Commonwealth, State and Territory Governments have been critical of the operation of the Standing Committee on Treaties. The Commonwealth has noted that the Standing Committee on Treaties is not effectively utilised by the States and Territories, and the States and Territories have suggested that it be upgraded.

13.83 The States and Territories consider that one of the major problems with the Standing Committee on Treaties is that it is a committee of officials and is therefore not politically accountable. Accordingly, in addition to upgrading the Standing Committee on Treaties, the officials' committee, the States and Territories have called for the establishment of a Treaties Council comprising heads of Governments.

13.84 The Committee is concerned that the creation of a new Treaties Council, in addition to the Standing Committee on Treaties, would merely duplicate the number of bodies dealing with treaties. The Committee considers that it would be preferable to reform existing bodies, rather than create an extra body.

13.85 The Committee considers that the preferable approach would be to abolish the Standing Committee on Treaties and replace it with a Treaties Council. The Committee considers that the Treaties Council should not only reflect the views of State and Territory Governments, but it should also reflect the views of State and Territory Parliaments.

13.86 The Treaties Council should comprise representatives appointed by the Government and Opposition of each State and Territory. Similarly, a representative of the Government, Opposition and the minor parties in the Commonwealth Parliament should be included on the Treaties Council.

13.87 The impact of treaties is so significant that the Committee considers that it is necessary to go further than the proposal suggested by the States and Territories in their joint submission to the Committee. Whereas the States' and Territories' proposal for improved Commonwealth/State consultation on treaties only extends to a Treaties Council of Government representatives of States Territories, the Committee recommends parliamentary representation from the States and Territories.

13.88 The broad-based parliamentary membership of the Treaties Council is recommended in response to the calls in the community for greater and more diverse Commonwealth/State consultation on treaties.

13.89 The size of the Treaties Council may give rise to suggestions that it would be unwieldy. However, the Committee does not envisage the Treaties Council as being a decision making body. Rather, the Treaties Council will be an advisory body. The purpose of the Council will be to facilitate the widest possible consultation on concerns raised by the States and Territories in relation to treaties. The broader representation on the Council will assist this process. Furthermore, the Council will be a forum for the States and Territories to directly provide input to the Commonwealth Parliament, that is the Government, the Opposition and minor parties, in relation to treaties of concern to them.

13.90 The Committee considers that the deliberations of the Treaties Council would not add to the delay in the treaty making process. The Committee notes that the negotiation of many treaties occurs over a period of several years. Such a time frame would therefore readily accommodate effective consideration of proposed treaties by the Treaties Council.

13.91 The Treaties Council should meet on a regular basis, at least twice a year. The Council should actively consider the potential impact of treaties on State and Territory laws, and the most appropriate manner of implementing treaties. The Treaties Council should be more than a clearing house for information. It should hold deliberative meetings and publish reports, which would make the views of the States and Territories available to the public. The Committee considers that these reports should be tabled in the respective Commonwealth, State and Territory Parliaments.

13.92 The Committee considers that it would be preferable if the Treaties Council were established by legislation, to give it a firm and transparent basis. Such legislation could be enacted by the Commonwealth at the request of the States and Territories, or could be uniform cooperative legislation in the States and Territories and the Commonwealth.

Recommendation 7:

That the existing Commonwealth-State Standing Committee on Treaties be abolished and replaced with a Treaties Council that is preferably established by legislation. The Treaties Council should comprise members appointed by both the Government and Opposition of each of the Parliaments of the States and Territories and the Government, Opposition and minor parties of the Commonwealth Parliament. The role of the Treaties Council should be to consider the potential impact of treaties on State, Territory and Commonwealth laws, and the method of implementing treaties. The Council should provide public reports which could be tabled in the Parliaments of the States, Territories and the Commonwealth.

Endnotes

  1. Seas and Submerged Lands case (1975) 135 CLR 337 at 373. This position appears to be accepted by the States and Territories. See: Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1329. However, see H. Burmester, 'The Australian States and Participation in the Foreign Policy Process' (1978) 9 Federal Law Review 257, at 262.
  2. Hansard, SLCRC, 16 May 1995, p 386, per Sir Maurice Byers QC; p 432, per Mr R. Wilkins; 14 June 1995,p 627, per Mr J. Daley. The States never had international legal personality. However, as discussed earlier in Chapter 4, the States had the limited power to refuse to be bound by commercial treaties to which Britain became a party.
  3. L. Zines, The High Court and the Constitution, 3rd ed., Butterworths, 1992: pp 235-6.
  4. Australia, Commonwealth Parliamentary Papers, 1903, ii, 1149ff.
  5. M. Crock, 'Federalism and the External Affairs Power', (1983-1984) 14 Melbourne University Law Review 239, at 242.
  6. Quoted in: A.B. Keith, Responsible Government in the Dominions, Vol II, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1912: p 799.
  7. Hansard, SLCRC, 15 May 1995, p 236, per the Hon. P. Pendal MLA.
  8. S. Harris, in B. Hocking (ed) Foreign Relations and Federal States, Leicester University Press, 1993, p 98.
  9. Hansard, SLCRC, 13 June 1995, p 521, per Professor K. Wiltshire.
  10. Hansard, SLCRC, 16 May 1995, p 437.
  11. Hansard, SLCRC, 16 May 1995, p 437.
  12. The Hon. C. Edwardes, MLA, Submission No. 100, Vol 6, p 1266.
  13. Constitutional Commission, Final Report of the Constitutional Commission, Vol 2, AGPS, Canberra, 1988, p 733. See also: H. Burmester, 'Federal Clauses: An Australian Perspective' (1985) 34 International and Comparative Law Quarterly 522.
  14. Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Negotiation, Conclusion and Implementation of International Treaties and Arrangements, Canberra, August 1994, p 30.
  15. Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Negotiation, Conclusion and Implementation of International Treaties and Arrangements, Canberra, August 1994, p 30.
  16. Mr J. Buxton, Submission No. 23, Vol 2, p 237.
  17. 1 Mr B. Davis, Submission No. 92, Vol 6, pp 1111-1112.
  18. However, ILO Conventions still contain federal clauses for historical reasons: Hansard, SLCRC, 16 May 1995, p 371, per the Hon. E.G. Whitlam.
  19. Hansard, SLCRC, 25 July 1995, p 827, per Professor H. Charlesworth.
  20. Hansard, SLCRC, 25 July 1995, p 828, per Professor H. Charlesworth.
  21. Hansard, SLCRC, 25 July 1995, p 828, per Professor M. Detmold. Mr A. Rose agreed with this statement at p 829.
  22. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 672, per Mr H. Burmester.
  23. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 644, per Mr J. Daley.
  24. A. Funder, 'Treaty-making Procedures in Australia', (1994) 5(4) Public Law Review 289.
  25. The Principles are an attachment to: Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Negotiation, Conclusion and Implementation of International Treaties and Arrangements, Canberra, August 1994. See A. Funder, 'Treaty-making Procedures in Australia', (1994) 5(4) Public Law Review 289.
  26. Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Australia and International Treaty Making, Information Kit, October 1994.
  27. Mr C. R. Jones, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Submission No. 93, Vol 6, p 1151.
  28. Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Negotiation, Conclusion and Implementation of International Treaties and Arrangements, Canberra, August 1994.
  29. Mr A. Henderson, Submission No. 135, Vol 8, pp 1862-1968 and Submission No. 136, Vol 8, pp 1970-2082.
  30. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 7, pp 1333-34.
  31. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 631, per Senator Kemp.
  32. Mr C. R. Jones, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Submission No. 93, Vol 6, pp 1148-1149.
  33. Mr C. R. Jones, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Submission No. 93, Vol 6, p 1149.
  34. Mr C. R. Jones, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Submission No. 93, Vol 6, p 1150.
  35. Mr R. Stewart-Crompton, Submission No. 146, Vol 9, p 2170.
  36. Mr R. Stewart-Crompton, Submission No. 146, Vol 9, p 2170.
  37. Attorney-General's Department, The Justice Statement, May 1995.
  38. 1 Attorney-General's Department, The Justice Statement, May 1995, pp 175-176.
  39. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1333.
  40. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1333.
  41. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1333.
  42. Ms M. Swain, International Treaties, NSW Parliamentary Library Research Service, 1995: p 17.
  43. Ms M. Swain, International Treaties, NSW Parliamentary Library Research Service, 1995: p 18.
  44. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1338.
  45. Mr K. Baxter, Submission No. 111, Vol 7, pp 1469-70
  46. Mr K. Baxter, Submission No. 111, Vol 7, p 1470.
  47. See also Mr N. Moore MLC, WA Minister for Education, Submission No. 65, Vol 3, pp 549-550.
  48. Mr K. Baxter, Submission No. 111, Vol 7, pp 1466-68.
  49. This declaration would allow an International Fact-Finding committee to inquire into allegations by another country that Australia had committed a grave breach of the Protocol or the Geneva Conventions of 1949 (i.e. a war crime).
  50. Mr K. Baxter, Submission No. 111, Vol 7, pp 1468.
  51. Hansard, SLCRC, 16 May 1995, p 430, per Mr R. Wilkins.
  52. The Hon. M. Lavarch MP, House of Representatives, Hansard, 12 October 1994, p 1775.
  53. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 700, per Ms P. Martin.
  54. Hansard, SLCRC, 1 May 1995, pp 44-45, per Mr W. Campbell and Mr C. Lamb.
  55. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 677, per Mr C. Lamb.
  56. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1333.
  57. Hansard, SLCRC, 16 May 1995, p 429, per Mr R. Wilkins; Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 632, per Mr J. Daley.
  58. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p. 643, per Ms F. Hanlon.
  59. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 643, per Mr J. Daley.
  60. See for example, Mr S. Blizard, Submission No. 70, Vol 3, p 582.
  61. Hansard, SLCRC, 15 May 1995, p 237, per the Hon. P. Pendal MLA.
  62. Hansard, SLCRC, 15 May 1995, p 252, per Dr J. Thomson.
  63. Hansard, SLCRC, 15 May 1995, p 256, per the Hon. P. Pendal MLA.
  64. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 627, per Mr J. Daley.
  65. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 707, per Mr J. Daley.
  66. Hansard, SLCRC, 2 May 1995, pp 130-131.
  67. Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, A Review of Australia's Efforts to Promote and Protect Human Rights, AGPS, Canberra, 1994, p 45.
  68. Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, A Review of Australia's Efforts to Promote and Protect Human Rights, AGPS, Canberra, 1994, p 46.
  69. Hansard, SLCRC, 22 May 1995, p 456, per Dr R. A. Herr.
  70. Mr H. Burmester, Submission No. 75, Vol 4, p 718.
  71. Joint Submission of the States and Territories, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1343.
  72. Hansard, SLCRC, 13 June 1995, p 521 and p 530, per Professor K. Wiltshire.
  73. Mr B.R. Opeskin and Dr D.R. Rothwell, Submission No. 73, Vol 4, p 654
  74. Dr M. Crock, 'Federalism and the External Affairs Power', (1983-1984) 14 Melbourne University Law Review 239, at 242. A. Byrnes and H. Charlesworth, 'Federalism and the International Legal Order: Recent Developments in Australia', (1985) 79 The American Journal of International Law 623. See also G. Whitlam, 'National and International Maturity', (1992) 42 Australian Journal of International Affairs 29, where the author details significant delays in entering a number of international treaties.
  75. Mr H. Burmester, Submission No. 75, Vol 4, p 33.
  76. Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, A Review of Australia's Efforts to Promote and Protect Human Rights, AGPS, Canberra, 1992, p xxvii. See also: Dr R. A. Herr and Ms W. Lacey, Submission No. 78, Vol 5, pp 905-6.
  77. See summary in: Constitutional Commission, Final Report of the Constitutional Commission, Vol 2, AGPS, Canberra, 1988, para. 10.480, p 736.
  78. Constitutional Commission, Final Report of the Constitutional Commission, Vol 2, AGPS, Canberra, 1988, para. 10.480, p 731.
  79. Professor G. Winterton, Submission No. 89, Vol 5 p 1074.
  80. Hansard, SLCRC, 1 May 1995, p 5, per Mr H. Burmester.
  81. For example, the Hon. P. Pendal MLA, Submission No. 126, Vol 7, p 1887. The Hon. E. Evatt, Submission No. 110, Vol 7, p 1411. Mr D. Purnell, Submission No. 69, Vol 3, p 579.
  82. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1334. Professor K. Wiltshire also advocated the use of COAG to consider treaties: Hansard, SLCRC, 13 June 1995, p 528.
  83. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1342.
  84. Joint Submission of the States and Territories, Submission No. 107, Vol 6, p 1342.
  85. The Hon. C. Edwardes, MLA, Submission No. 100, Vol 6, p 1273.
  86. The Australian, 11 July 1995, p 17.
  87. Mr A. Downer, Address to the 44th Federal Council of the Liberal Party, Albury, 30 October 1994.
  88. Mr D. Williams QC, Submission No. 154, Vol 10, p 2233.
  89. Mr D. Williams QC, Submission No. 154, Vol 10, p 2233.
  90. Mr D. Buckingham, Submission No. 45, Vol 2, p 407.
  91. Mr M. Soutter, Submission No. 51, Vol 3, p 435.
  92. Mr G.A. Savell, Submission No. 80, Vol 5, p 977.
  93. Hansard, SLCRC, 14 June 1995, p 727, per Mr F. Gulson.
  94. Hansard, SLCRC, 15 May 1995, pp 330-331, per Mr J. Buxton.
  95. Hansard, SLCRC, 16 May 1995, p 382, per The Hon. E. Evatt.
  96. Joint State and Territory Submission, Submission No. 107, Vol 7, p 1342.

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